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Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by unmole »

senttoschool wrote: post #49
manv1 wrote: post #25

Maybe China wants to dip a toe into great power style politics, so it can see what being on the world stage actually entails? After all, China is looking for friends, and what better way to make friends than to prop up a failing regime? Propping up Haiti can't be more expensive than propping up North Korea.

Your comment is so weird. China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. Even when it had by far, the highest GDP country in the world, it did not colonize other countries. All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse because that would create a huge humanitarian crisis at its borders. Also, Chinese people are more practical. Leave this problem to the Chinese and they’ll find a way to solve…

> China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years.

So, the annexation of Tibet and the repopulation of Xinjiang didn't happen?

> All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse

That must be why they bully their smaller neighbours.

> Also, Chinese people are more practical.

Right. Like we saw with the spectacular success of Zero-Covid and their refusal to authorise foreign mRNA vaccines.

> They’re not warmongers like Americans are.

That must be why they keep violating the Line of Control and firing missiles over Taiwan.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by senttoschool »

samarthr1 wrote: post #53
senttoschool wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is so weird. China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. Even when it had by far, the highest GDP country in the world, it did not colonize other countries. All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse because that would create a huge humanitarian crisis at its borders. Also, Chinese people are more practical. Leave this problem to the Chinese and they’ll find a way to solve…

Perhaps you have not visited the border at arunachal pradesh, or aksai chin. Both are indian territories forcibly occupied by the Chinese. We (at India) have fought wars in the past 50 years to protect our land from the Chinese invaders. Furthermore, leaving India aside, let's think about Tibet, the uighur muslims for a moment. The current Dalai Lama is in exile also.

I don't think disputed territories are considered as colonial. I think you need to stay objective even if this is you (Indian) vs China.

Tibet has been with China since 7th century according to a quick wikipedia search.

Nothing I said in my original comment is dissuaded by your arguments. If you think so, then you should study more European colonial (GB colonized India) and Chinese history.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by senttoschool »

unmole wrote: post #61
senttoschool wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is so weird. China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. Even when it had by far, the highest GDP country in the world, it did not colonize other countries. All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse because that would create a huge humanitarian crisis at its borders. Also, Chinese people are more practical. Leave this problem to the Chinese and they’ll find a way to solve…

> China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. So, the annexation of Tibet and the repopulation of Xinjiang didn't happen? > All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse That must be why they bully their smaller neighbours. > Also, Chinese people are more practical. Right. Like we saw with the spectacular success of Zero-Covid and their refusal to authorise foreign mRNA vaccines. > They’r…

China does not invade countries the same way European and American countries do in the last few hundreds of years. Past that, I do not know enough about history.

I'm not sure how you can dispute this.

Chinese people do not yearn for war like Americans and Europeans do.

Taiwan is a disputed territory and the US has been provoking China intensely in the last few years. Obama administration got it right. Trump and Biden have not. If the US was in China's position, it would have authorized a Taiwan invasion decades ago.

The first instinct for Americans in any international conflict is how soon can we send a couple of fighter jets and blow some stuff up.

The first instinct for the Chinese is how can we hash this out without any physical violence. The second instinct is the same as the first. The 3rd instinct is the same as the first. And if you have to make it to the 4th instinct, then it's all out war. This mindset reflected in Chinese culture and Chinese Americans as well. Chinese people have a lot of patience when it comes to violence. But if you provoke them enough, they're willing to lose everything to make a point.

This is the reason why I believe China will be a better world police enforcer than America.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by senttoschool »

krapp wrote: post #46
zeeshanmh215 wrote: post #45

Why can US invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not Haiti? Or is it that they fear they would have to face gang members instead of civilians?

The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for oil and vengeance for 9/11, but Haiti has nothing the US wants.

The people of Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. It was for oil.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by skinnymuch »

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #56
zeeshanmh215 wrote: post #45

Why can US invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not Haiti? Or is it that they fear they would have to face gang members instead of civilians?

The US has lost all desire for war post-Iraq. We're happy to arm Ukraine, but in the 60s? We would have absolutely had boots on the ground.

America got tired of getting its ass handed to it (especially morally) in Korea and Vietnam.
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