Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

Post by whythre » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 3:51 AM UTC

noworriesnate wrote: post #48

rayiner wrote: post #21

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That would be a shocking violation of Haiti's sovereignty. It would be colonialism. Civil wars are sometimes a necessary thing in the organic development of a nation. In general, it's not the business of other countries to prevent them.

Exactly! For Europeans to develop to the point they could dominate the rest of the world, they took a thousand years to recover from Roman imperialism and develop distinct ethic/national identities. We have to not interfere with the third world and be willing to not interfere for a thousand years for them to sociologically mature to the point they can operate effectively in the first world. The solution to problems c…

Post by samarthr1 » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 3:34 PM UTC

senttoschool wrote: post #49

manv1 wrote: post #25

Maybe China wants to dip a toe into great power style politics, so it can see what being on the world stage actually entails? After all, China is looking for friends, and what better way to make friends than to prop up a failing regime? Propping up Haiti can't be more expensive than propping up North Korea.

Your comment is so weird. China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. Even when it had by far, the highest GDP country in the world, it did not colonize other countries. All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse because that would create a huge humanitarian crisis at its borders. Also, Chinese people are more practical. Leave this problem to the Chinese and they’ll find a way to solve…

Post by throwayyy479087 » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

kjs3 wrote: post #30

_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

The US has a problematic history of intervention in Haiti, so we aren't the first choice of pretty much anyone on the ground. And consensus is Haiti isn't where anyone is going to be able to shoot their way to a solution. There have been some negotiations around getting Canada to lead an intervention [1], but that hasn't apparently gone too far. So...it'll get a lot worse for most Haitians before it gets better. [1]…

Post by complianceowl » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

Valgrim wrote: post #32

throw_m239339 wrote: post #11

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> That may be true, but I'd also be interested in hearing the best argument for the alternative. You haven't presented yourself a single argument as to why would the Dominican Republic want to do that at first place, how would that benefit them exactly?

The unification of la Hispaniola under a new regime untied to french colonialism could be a strong foundation for political and economical improvements (if made in respect of both cultures). If Canada ever merges with the nearby Turks and Caicos Islands, they could also help improve the economic status of the area by bringing a nice influx of money. Also Canada has a big Haitian diaspora in Quebec, so there are cultu…

Post by stefantalpalaru » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 1:29 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #46

zeeshanmh215 wrote: post #45

Why can US invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not Haiti? Or is it that they fear they would have to face gang members instead of civilians?

The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for oil and vengeance for 9/11, but Haiti has nothing the US wants.