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Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by proto_lambda »

Y_Y wrote: post #108
coder543 wrote: post #26

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No... it's less clear too. The verb is never isolated from the rest of the sentence by a comma, but a list of nouns will be isolated by commas, even if the conjunction is missing for brevity in a title. Separating "returns" like that makes it appear even more to be a noun, which is the thing that the original comment was confused by. Correct interpretation of the title relies on the reader realizing that it is a verb…

Person holds excessively strict ideas about English grammar, posts.

In headlinese, your sentence would be short for "Person holds excessively strict ideas about English grammar and English posts". Not a great example to make your point.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by kitsunesoba »

jesuscript wrote: post #92
coder543 wrote: post #16

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It is a 144Hz display, which makes it significantly more interesting than an average 1080p display. 60Hz just feels so stuttery these days. But, I agree that a higher resolution would be nice, and if I'm being completely honest... I would want OLED. Tons of affordable OLED laptops have come to market over the past year.

Why does 144hz matter to you if you aren't playing games? This is not a gaming machine. You absolutely will not notice the difference for non-gaming tasks between 60hz to 80hz/100hz/120hz/144hz/244hz.

Yeah, I jump between 60hz, 120hz, and 240hz screens several times a day and while the difference in smoothness is very visible, if I'm not gaming I forget about it very quickly. Personally for work machines I find high density (preferably integer scaling friendly) preferable over extra frames.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by doublepg23 »

lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

I’m holding out hope on System76 designing truly custom hardware and we reach the fabled “MacBook of Linux” someday. As of now their Clevo rebadges don’t appeal to me, though their “custom” desktops do.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by trelane »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #99
trelane wrote: post #67

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I'd recommend using Windows under a VM, for this and myriad other reasons. But it really underscores the point that Linux and Windows hardware really are different.

> But it really underscores the point that Linux and Windows hardware really are different. You mean it underscores the fact that Windows actually has terrible hardware support and the only reason it runs on anything is because OEMs put in work... Linux runs on most Windows hardware OOTB.

> Linux runs on most Windows hardware OOTB.

"Runs" is in the eye of the beholder. It runs, but very often with small glitches here and there, especially where hardware and software meet (e.g. suspend and resume.) Even Frameworks manages to screw it up, in no small part because they don't support Linux, only Windows. And AFICT, its _very_ hard to fully support both simultaneously.

This is why I only buy System76. I've considered Tux etc and may also. But so far System76 has been the best for me.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by hojjat12000 »

mulmen wrote: post #159

My 2014 RMBP is finally ready to go to the great messenger bag in the sky. Apple no longer provides updates and the battery is swelling. I'm not excited about the new MacBook offerings. The hardware is neat but the OS really turns me off. Apple is on a crusade to make MacOS unusable and the lack of stability in the environment is too much for me. I'm ready to make the leap into a Linux desktop environment just for th…

As far as support goes. System76 would be your best bet. You can also checkout HP Dev One (which comes with System76's Pop!_OS).

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by jesuscript »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #162
jesuscript wrote: post #92

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Why does 144hz matter to you if you aren't playing games? This is not a gaming machine. You absolutely will not notice the difference for non-gaming tasks between 60hz to 80hz/100hz/120hz/144hz/244hz.

Yeah, I jump between 60hz, 120hz, and 240hz screens several times a day and while the difference in smoothness is very visible, if I'm not gaming I forget about it very quickly. Personally for work machines I find high density (preferably integer scaling friendly) preferable over extra frames.

I agree, I would say higher resolution screens always pay dividends in coding (crispness, and real estate). I've been downgrading a 144hz monitor to 100hz in gaming and haven't noticed too much difference. I think I'd have to jump to 244hz for my own perceptibility to notice the difference in games.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by trelane »

LoganDark wrote: post #129
trelane wrote: post #66

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If you believe getting a laptop crom System76 and from Clevo will get you the same laptop, you're quite mistaken.

No? Sysmtem76 rebrands Clevo machines and offers them with software support & warranty. That's like, their whole thing.

No, actually, they don't. They work with Clevo to make them, and Clevo can sell the hardware, but the firmware is very different, and possibly some of the hardware as well.

see e.g. cassidyjames at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414

There were a couple of great threads on Twitter, but it looks like Jeremy Soller isn't on anymore. (https://twitter.com/c4software/status/1322954098711400449 is one guy realizing too late that they're not the same, that likely precipitated https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/132295496454... still in Google cache saying "A reminder that you shouldn't buy Clevo's and expect them to work like System76's"

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Post by quasarj »

inetknght wrote: post #53
quasarj wrote: post #45

God damn that is one ugly motherfucker. Why in the world is anyone still squeezing useless numpads onto laptops???

> Why in the world is anyone still squeezing useless numpads onto laptops??? Excuse me?! I will never buy a laptop without a numpad! I use numpads every day ! The better question is why is anyone still squeezing a useless touchpad onto laptops???

Well first, I don't believe you.

But let's assume you really do need a numpad for your work or whatever. Wouldn't you rather have one that was... full sized? And wouldn't you rather the keyboard be centered on the laptop, so you can actually use it on a lap?

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by trelane »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #115
trelane wrote: post #72

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Really? That is not my experience with them at all .

I bought a high end serval a couple years ago. I think they stopped producing that line. We never got any firmware updates to address battery life, wifi, sound, bluetooth, trackpad issues. I think they perhaps realized the fu'd, and that product line might have represented a sunk cost for them. I can't blame them if thats the case from a buisness pov, but as a consumer, I'll shop elsewhere for my next 'it just works'…

Interesting. Good luck then! I'd be interested to hear back about some good ones. I agree, options are good and it's so much better than 20 years ago.

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Post by aliqot »

doix wrote: post #19
yoyohello13 wrote: post #15

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Honestly, the difference between 1080p and 1440p on a 14in screen is barely perceptible to me. I'd rather have the extra battery life.

I run my 1440p screen at 1080p because my portable monitor is 1080p and I don't want to try and setup different scaling on different screens in X or move to Wayland. I'm happy enough.

I run 4 different screens with different resolutions in X with no problem, no setup. Is there a specific error you run into?
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