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Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Isn't rare earth metals mining insanely pollutive? I've heard they can be found all over the world but only China mines them massively because nobody else is willing to destroy their ecology.

It certainly depends on the industrial process as a whole. But it's worth pointing out that nobody ever had a complaint about gold, silver, platinum or diamond mining, nor about the unimaginable volumes of ore processed to acquire iron and copper. But somehow these days everyone likes to think that they know that rare earth metals are "the devil".

> But somehow these days everyone knows that rare earth metals are "the devil".

Of course. Everyone knows that rare-earth metal extraction involves ugly, environmentally destructive strip mining, and the metals themselves are primarily used to build components for first-world toys and gadgets, such as electronics and batteries in mobile phones, computers, or electric cars.

In contrast, gold, silver, platinum and diamonds are extracted through perfectly ordinary environmentally destructive strip mining, and they have important applications such as jewelry, tax evasion and more jewelry, much of it critical to important industries such as the wedding industry.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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i'm genuinely curious what about their comment makes them an asshole. the comment is a bit dismissive, but hardly assholish

It's also stupid and insulting, because those discoveries have far more to do with the capability of Swedish chemists than they do with geography.

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Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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But he was Finnish

But a Swedish speaking Finn and it seems he made his discoveries while living in Sweden. From wikipedia: "Johan Gadolin was born in Åbo (Finnish name Turku), Finland (then a part of Sweden)." [0] "In 1779 Gadolin moved to Uppsala University." Uppsala is in Sweden. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Gadolin

Also most of todays Finland was under Swedish rule until 1809.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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> "This is good news, not only for LKAB, the region and the Swedish people, but also for Europe and the climate... No, this is not good news. Mining is one of the most polluting human activities there is. In addition, all those machines used for digging and pulverizing the minerals, they run on petrol. In fact, the entire value chain from raw mineral to finished product, be it solar panels, wind turbine, or the lates…

> a whole different approach is needed I would like to know more about this different approach. I don't think we can make a change that doesn't involve using what we are currently using (fossil fuels) but diminishing over time.

In my mind the only thing that can work to mitigate climate change (any way we cannot reverse it) and stop damaging our ecosystem, the planet earth, is to practice sobriety, reduce our economic activity voluntarily, and thus reduce the burning of fossil fuels and emissions in general. This is the hard truth, but how many of us are ready to do this? How many of the people reading this are ready to make a material sacrifice in order to ensure the future of their offspring?

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

#185

‚metals which are essential for, among other applications, the manufacture of electric vehicles and wind turbines‘ Great way to frame mining as eco-friendly haha. Is my take too skeptical? Are these very specific metals to eco-friendly production?

"Rare-earths" are essential neither for electric vehicle batteries nor wind turbines. (Nor solar panels, either.)

Though it's a popular lie.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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I've wondered how that works - I'm sure Biden isn't calling Erdogan and saying that directly, right? How does the "you will fall into line, we are the hegemon" message get conveyed in 2022? I don't think Erdogan is even that opposed, I think he wants to be seen as a player.

>"I've wondered how that works" Nice country you've got here. Will be a real shame if anything happens to it.

But the problem with this approach is that NATO actually needs Turkey, it's in a vital position and is locally a major player.

Ideally, NATO members need Turkey to be truly cooperative. (You know, discuss, compromise, that old thing.)

What NATO really needs is for Turkey to be not directly hostile. That would be incredibly costly. We already got a tiny tiny preview of that by Turkey turning a blind eye to ISIS.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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The value of many "rare earths" suddenly plummeted recently when an iron+nitrogen [edit: not "nickel"] alloy/crystallization ("allotrope") was discovered that approximates the properties of the best lanthanide magnets.

("Rare-earths" are not, incidentally, needed for [edit:batteries], wind turbines, or solar panels, however much certain people wish they were, or confidently claim.)

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

#188

Isn't rare earth metals mining insanely pollutive? I've heard they can be found all over the world but only China mines them massively because nobody else is willing to destroy their ecology.

It certainly depends on the industrial process as a whole. But it's worth pointing out that nobody ever had a complaint about gold, silver, platinum or diamond mining, nor about the unimaginable volumes of ore processed to acquire iron and copper. But somehow these days everyone likes to think that they know that rare earth metals are "the devil".

Not really sure what you are trying to say here.

Criticizing gold and diamond mining isn't uncommon. A popular example coming to mind is the "Dirty Money" Netflix documentary series (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11947154/). The existence of "Blood diamonds" is also a pretty commonly known fact.

> But somehow these days everyone likes to think that they know that rare earth metals are "the devil".

Many years ago people also thought smoking is healthy and asbestos are a great material to use in construction.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

#189

Not exactly surprising that it’s in Sweden, as many rare earth metals were first discovered here and are named after Swedish things: - Scandium from Scandinavia - Yttrium, Terbium, Erbium and Ytterbium from the village of Ytterby - Holmium from Stockholm - Thulium from Thule

Isn't Thule on Greenland (or are there multiple Thule around?)

Multiple I think. I believe Thule was the capital of the Greenland Norse civilization, but it's also a local story about a high culture that disappeared.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

#190

> No rare earth elements are currently mined in Europe This is a little crazy fact I learnt today. Given how much we use, this news hits harder.

It is going to be an agonizing compromise for Sweden - destroy the Kiruna area with extraction (a million tons is a lot) or be environmentally friendly.

Currently the Congo and Chile are being torn apart with toxic dollar a day child labor extraction.

The Swedes will do a good job of mechanizing/sanitizing the process though.

I went to Kiruna once to see the northern lights but they didn't show up.

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