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Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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I'm a fan of Lynx. React and angular have destroyed the semantic web.

I have been using lynx for almost 3 decades. It is still my primary browser. All of my bookmarks are stored in lynx. When necessary, I can spawn my defined x-www-browser from inside lynx, as when typing this comment. The two together are quite functional...

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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post #60

As someone who has come to prefer viewing web-pages in reader-mode rather than their default-layouts, I really love the idea of having a leaner, more minimalist web. Just pure content without all the bloat... How have I never heard about this before?

I feel the same. This is insanely cool if it does what it says on the tin. I am going to try it out.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen HN react so negatively to a project, but I think that has to do with the image people have of what a “browser” is. Kristall isn’t very useful for HTTP even though it supports the protocol. That said its goal is the “small internet” and very basic sites on HTTP will work, which is is inline with that goal. Some have complained even Google search doesn’t work, but Google search doesn’t fall…

You can't call it an internet browser if it doesn't work properly on 99.99% percent of existing pages. It's like calling telnet a browser, when it only accurately displays text/plain.

> internet browser

But it's not a small internet browser it's a small-internet browser. It is made to browse the "small-internet", which is not the same thing as the internet.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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post #87

Instant fail: does not zoom. Unusable except if the font scaling is just right for you. Lagrange (cross-platform) looks much better, and does zoom. In the terminal is nice too, I like Amfora (Golang single binary).

Being it's version 0.4 I'm willing to look past a lot of things being fully implemented yet. Especially in this case since Settings -> Style lets you configure the sizing of every component to your liking so we know text scaling isn't just forgotten about or restricted. Another example is text selection, looks like it's marked as experimental.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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post #108

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I mean, that's the source of the complaint though. It's 2023. If it doesn't work on google.com, it's not a browser that works on "The Internet" (due to conflation of terms over the years, people assume that "The Internet" means "The Web," especially when the term "browser" is mixed in there). To be clear though, a much better user interface for retrieving and displaying small documents through gopher, gemini, and fin…

What a sad mindset to believe google = internet ...that's just sad, especially for HN

"Opening a browser and going immediately to a search engine" is how most users use the Internet (proxy statistic; google.com is the most visited web page by a country mile, followed immediately by YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter). A browser that doesn't work with the most popular web pages is not a "browser" for practical purposes of most people.

... which is fine, but I suspect the headline is throwing readers here off because they're equating "browser" to "web browser" and then the actual tool flips their bozo bit when it can't even properly render popular sites in a degraded mode. Perhaps the tool can use better branding: "A general-protocol Internet document browser that can also do some HTML," for example?

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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I think the problem is that they are trying to sell a radio as if it were a TV.

They're "selling" a TV as a TV when the world has switched to using full-blown mind-control shopping malls as TVs.

IMO the better comparison is selling a 9” black and white TV with only an OTA antenna as input as a TV in 2023: technically correct, wildly out of whack with customer expectations.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen HN react so negatively to a project, but I think that has to do with the image people have of what a “browser” is. Kristall isn’t very useful for HTTP even though it supports the protocol. That said its goal is the “small internet” and very basic sites on HTTP will work, which is is inline with that goal. Some have complained even Google search doesn’t work, but Google search doesn’t fall…

Restricted functionality is a security benefit - could be interesting in some scenarios... Not mentioned by the project's presentation, but there has to be an audience there.

> Restricted functionality is a security benefit

This is a common trope I hear but I'm not sure it's true any longer.

One of the reasons Google login requires JavaScript to be enabled is to fix flaws in non-JS HTML that allow for hijacking passwords. It's why they took a much harder line on simple auth a few years back; too many instances of people being tricked into handing their Gmail account to scammers.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a sad mindset to believe google = internet ...that's just sad, especially for HN

"Opening a browser and going immediately to a search engine" is how most users use the Internet (proxy statistic; google.com is the most visited web page by a country mile, followed immediately by YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter). A browser that doesn't work with the most popular web pages is not a "browser" for practical purposes of most people. ... which is fine, but I suspect the headline is throwing readers here o…

It's not a browser for "most users", and with your logic there are just two "computers" Apple and Windows.

I also have a File-browser on my system and it has nothing todo with html or google.

>they're equating "browser" to "web browser"

Yes they also also say Cloud = Google-Drive, do you really want to go that route?

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen HN react so negatively to a project, but I think that has to do with the image people have of what a “browser” is. Kristall isn’t very useful for HTTP even though it supports the protocol. That said its goal is the “small internet” and very basic sites on HTTP will work, which is is inline with that goal. Some have complained even Google search doesn’t work, but Google search doesn’t fall…

You can't call it an internet browser if it doesn't work properly on 99.99% percent of existing pages. It's like calling telnet a browser, when it only accurately displays text/plain.

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