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India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

This just isn't correct. Not only is it still pervasive in India it actively impacts US Indian immigrants as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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Pervasive in Tech as well. Well known in FAANG companies that upper castes promote other upper castes and squash anyone under them from a lower caste. Also actively hushed, see Google canceling a talk on their campus about this very issue after upper castes complained. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

~2% of Indian expats in the US are low-caste, and most of those are not in tech. This is a manufactured controversy.

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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post #8

There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

People from India need to speak up about this if that's true, because Western readers love articles like this to broadly discriminate.

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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What I found surprising is that the genetic distance between Indian castes is rather large, comparable to the distance of a northern European to eg a greek person: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/

> the genetic distance between Indian castes is rather large, comparable to the distance of a northern European to eg a greek person

It's best said that India is Europe in half the land area. Culturally (languages, writing scripts, music, food, dance, architecture, politics) and pheno/genotypically (skin colour, facial and body structure, mt/Y-chromosomal DNA). I struggle to find another single country with as long a history as India's, which is as diverse.

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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post #8

There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

Wait - if that's the case, why is caste an issue at Oracle, up to the point where there's federal lawsuits? Are the Indian employees at that firm all from backwards villages?

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

This just isn't correct. Not only is it still pervasive in India it actively impacts US Indian immigrants as well. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

Untrue. You can get people to complain about anything, that doesn't make it true.

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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post #8

There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

That's an interesting editorial - it doesn't match what I've heard from multiple people and especially seems hard to reconcile with things like the more recent discussions and lawsuits regarding caste in Silicon Valley:

https://qz.com/apple-meta-and-google-must-fight-caste-discri...

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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This is a real problem that doesn't get as much attention as it ought to. Google canceled a planned talk about this earlier this year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/02/google-...

Why should Google let Tamil ethno-nationalists like Thenmozhi hold a talk?

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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Pervasive in Tech as well. Well known in FAANG companies that upper castes promote other upper castes and squash anyone under them from a lower caste. Also actively hushed, see Google canceling a talk on their campus about this very issue after upper castes complained. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

~2% of Indian expats in the US are low-caste, and most of those are not in tech. This is a manufactured controversy.

Spoken like an upper caste member. The article lays out issues in Google and lawsuits in other large tech companies. "Manufactured Controversy" that has led to major Discrimination lawsuits. Sure.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cisco-lawsuit/california-...

Re: India’s caste system limits diversity in science

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post #8

There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

Wait - if that's the case, why is caste an issue at Oracle, up to the point where there's federal lawsuits? Are the Indian employees at that firm all from backwards villages?

If someone finds a way to make a buck through a lawsuit they will do it. Just because someone filed a lawsuit doesn't make it true.
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