It seems that the point is that the objective function is applied layerwise, still computes gradient to get the update direction, it's just that gradients don't propagate to previous layers (detatched tensor). As far as I can tell, this is almost the same as stacking multiple layers of ensembles, except worse as each ensemble is trained while previous ensembles are learning. This is causing context drift. To deal wit…
Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
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Re: Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
#32It seems that the point is that the objective function is applied layerwise, still computes gradient to get the update direction, it's just that gradients don't propagate to previous layers (detatched tensor). As far as I can tell, this is almost the same as stacking multiple layers of ensembles, except worse as each ensemble is trained while previous ensembles are learning. This is causing context drift. To deal wit…
This command is a lot of words to say "I don't like it" without giving any reason to believe you. If it's not new or novel, why aren't people using it? If it's bad, what's wrong with it?
Re: Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
#33I skimmed through the paper and am a bit confused. There's only one equation and I feel like he rushed to publish a shower thought without even bothering to flesh it out mathematically. So how do you optimize a layer? Do you still use gradient descent? So you are have a per layer loss with a positive and negative component and then do gradient descent? So then what is the label for each layer? Do you use the same lab…
Re: Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
#34Not a deep learning expert, but: it seems that without backpropagation for model updates, the communication costs should be lower. And that will enable models that are easier to parallelize? Nvidia isn't creating new versions of its NVLink/NVSwitch products just for the sake of it, better communication must be a key enabler. Can someone with deeper knowledge can comment on this? Is communication a bottleneck, and wil…
> will this algorithm uncover a new design space for NNs? No. Hinton "discovered" stacking ensembles and gave it a new name, fancy analogies to biological brains and then made it worse. The gist of this is that you can select a computational unit, be it a linear layer, or a collection of layers, compute the derivative of the output with respect to the parameters, and update them. Each computational unit is independen…
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#37It seems that the point is that the objective function is applied layerwise, still computes gradient to get the update direction, it's just that gradients don't propagate to previous layers (detatched tensor). As far as I can tell, this is almost the same as stacking multiple layers of ensembles, except worse as each ensemble is trained while previous ensembles are learning. This is causing context drift. To deal wit…
Since you seem to understand what he is saying, can you explain to me how the per layer objective function looks like? I don't get what he means by inserting the label into the input and what labels he is using per layer.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
#38I skimmed through the paper and am a bit confused. There's only one equation and I feel like he rushed to publish a shower thought without even bothering to flesh it out mathematically. So how do you optimize a layer? Do you still use gradient descent? So you are have a per layer loss with a positive and negative component and then do gradient descent? So then what is the label for each layer? Do you use the same lab…
Not accurate for the version another commenter linked: https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hinton/FFA13.pdf
I see four equations.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
This command is a lot of words to say "I don't like it" without giving any reason to believe you. If it's not new or novel, why aren't people using it? If it's bad, what's wrong with it?
It performs worse than baсkprop.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton publishes new deep learning algorithm
#40It’s incredible to think that dreams are just our brains generating training data, and lack of sleep causes us to overfit on our immediate surroundings.