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Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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Post by marginalia_nu »

napolux wrote: post #24

HN is the only place on the Internet where I hear about Gemini. Excluding Gemini itself. I'm all in for a simpler Internet, but on HTTP(S), with images and other media if needed

I'm cross-publishing my website on gemini, basically rendering HTML and gemtext from a very slightly enhanced variant of gemtext that has some rendering hints that are stripped away.

Like this page https://memex.marginalia.nu/log/ is rendered from this code:

  # Gemlog
  
  => /topic/ Browse by topic

  => /links/aggregators.gmi Aggregators

  => /log/feed.xml Atom Feed

  This section of the memex contains what might described as a weblog.
  %%% FEED
  
  %%% LISTING
(the FEED directive tells it to generate an Atom feed, and LISTING to inline the documents list rather than put it in the side-bar in the HTML version)

Gemtext is very close to what I want. The only thing I wish is that it had some rudimentary support for illustrative images. Not like inlined in the text, but at least centered figures. That would go a long way.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#52

Post by jamil7 »

kevinyew wrote: post #34
rollcat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Distraction-free access to information. Like reading a book.

There is nothing about HTML/CSS/JS that prevents simplicity. It is purely how it has been used and abused. You can also disable JS and use user agent stylesheets in any modern web browser.

> There is nothing about HTML/CSS/JS that prevents simplicity

You're right, there isn't yet here we are. Where I need to download and run a React program every time I want to read an article.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#53

Post by marginalia_nu »

smartmic wrote: post #36
napolux wrote: post #24

HN is the only place on the Internet where I hear about Gemini. Excluding Gemini itself. I'm all in for a simpler Internet, but on HTTP(S), with images and other media if needed

Fully agree. I am also wondering why simplicity needs its own protocol here. Striving for simplicity is more a philosophical than a technical task. Edit: The creation of new protocols and technical solutions alone increases cognitive complexity. From this point of view, it is even counterproductive if existing solutions can enable the same.

Dunno, the gemini protocol and gemtext format is like the internet equivalent of a 6502. It's extremely approachable to anyone with a basic understanding of programming. Like you could slap together a working client or a server in an afternoon, most likely.

Its built-in limitations also inspires quite a lot of creativity.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#54

Post by napolux »

smartmic wrote: post #36
napolux wrote: post #24

HN is the only place on the Internet where I hear about Gemini. Excluding Gemini itself. I'm all in for a simpler Internet, but on HTTP(S), with images and other media if needed

Fully agree. I am also wondering why simplicity needs its own protocol here. Striving for simplicity is more a philosophical than a technical task. Edit: The creation of new protocols and technical solutions alone increases cognitive complexity. From this point of view, it is even counterproductive if existing solutions can enable the same.

> I am also wondering why simplicity needs its own protocol here

This "killed" Gemini from the start

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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Post by napolux »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #53
smartmic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree. I am also wondering why simplicity needs its own protocol here. Striving for simplicity is more a philosophical than a technical task. Edit: The creation of new protocols and technical solutions alone increases cognitive complexity. From this point of view, it is even counterproductive if existing solutions can enable the same.

Dunno, the gemini protocol and gemtext format is like the internet equivalent of a 6502. It's extremely approachable to anyone with a basic understanding of programming. Like you could slap together a working client or a server in an afternoon, most likely. Its built-in limitations also inspires quite a lot of creativity.

That's make it just a toy

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#56

Post by canadianfella »

danShumway wrote: post #45

I have nitpicks and criticisms about Gemini, and it's not a protocol that I use very often (if at all), but I also don't see the harm in it. It seems to have a pretty strong grasp of what its goals are and (minor criticisms aside) it does a decent job of accomplishing those goals. Nowadays I tend to compare Gemini more to things like Pico-8 or Markdown rather than think of it as a web competitor -- and as a result I'…

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Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#57

Post by marginalia_nu »

danuker wrote: post #49
bambax wrote: post #40

Hacker News on Kristall: https://imgur.com/a/lhq8iCw http, https are disabled by default, they need to be enabled in File/Settings/Generic. I was hoping it would be a single executable but (on Windows) it's 56 files: 1 exe, 33 dedicated dlls, 22 translation files. Google Search does not work, it's impossible to get past the cookie consent page: https://imgur.com/a/daGMASS (Same thing happens if one tries to put the s…

Does https://search.marginalia.nu/ work?

I actually used to serve marginalia search it over gemini, although that feature has fallen into disrepair.

But it's designed to work without CSS and scripts, I test it with w3m and lynx, so I hope kristall can deal with it too.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

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Post by marginalia_nu »

napolux wrote: post #55
marginalia_nu wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, the gemini protocol and gemtext format is like the internet equivalent of a 6502. It's extremely approachable to anyone with a basic understanding of programming. Like you could slap together a working client or a server in an afternoon, most likely. Its built-in limitations also inspires quite a lot of creativity.

That's make it just a toy

Of course, that's why it's so great.

Re: Kristall – a browser without support for CSS/JS/WASM or graphical websites

#60

Post by hooby »

As someone who has come to prefer viewing web-pages in reader-mode rather than their default-layouts, I really love the idea of having a leaner, more minimalist web. Just pure content without all the bloat...

How have I never heard about this before?

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