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The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

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Re: The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

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post #27

I have a question, which you may not know the answer to, but I'm just asking it to everybody these days. Let's say hypothetically that all the medical providers suddenly all decide to stop being evil. They increase staffing to safe ratios. They even have extra staff so people can take vacations and have days off without it being a problem. They give everyone very good compensation and the big time administrators stop…

> But if the deeper problem is there, is there any short term solution?

No.

> Sure we can start training people and make lots of incentives for people to enter the field, but that will take years.

Yes. But it should be done.

Also, there shouldn't be shortages of saline IV solution and bacteriostatic water -- but no one's rebuilding the factories destroyed by hurricanes in Puerto Rico because there's not "enough" of a shortage to make ROI on new factories.

Most medical supplies need to be moderately overproduced every year via subsidies just like our crops and basic foods are. Otherwise the rationality of the commodities markets will ensure there's constantly a light/partial shortage of basic healthcare goods like..."water".

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post #27

I have a question, which you may not know the answer to, but I'm just asking it to everybody these days. Let's say hypothetically that all the medical providers suddenly all decide to stop being evil. They increase staffing to safe ratios. They even have extra staff so people can take vacations and have days off without it being a problem. They give everyone very good compensation and the big time administrators stop…

Given how many news stories there have been about people leaving the field due to the working conditions, low pay, and insurance red tape, it seems like getting rid of that enormous layer of inefficiency would do double duty both in terms of freeing up money for productive uses and not pushing experienced workers out.

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Seems like we need to lift the residency limits and allow for more doctors to be added to the work force.

There is no limit by rule -- just by funding. We've had really nice increases in medical school graduates since the ACA, but predictably, one of the two major parties is staunchly against spending more dollars on residency slots so they torpedo the legislation every time when it's proposed (the vast majority of residency funding is provided via Medicare). The most recent bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-cong…

Do hospitals lose money on medical residents without federal funding? I'd figure residents provide a lot of labor for the hospitals.

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post #26

Everyone knew Obamacare would cause this (or make it worse), but no one could do anything about it because there was no alternative plan acceptable to a large enough majority. Obamacare dramatically increased deductibles, in the name of providing "coverage" to everyone. What ends up happening is people don't pay the deductive. What should have happened is politicians should have worked on costs , not on payments. The…

> Obamacare dramatically increased deductibles, in the name of providing "coverage" to everyone. What ends up happening is people don't pay the deductive.

I don't understand this. Are you saying everyone just lets the bills for the deductible go to debt collections?

Re: The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

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post #27

I have a question, which you may not know the answer to, but I'm just asking it to everybody these days. Let's say hypothetically that all the medical providers suddenly all decide to stop being evil. They increase staffing to safe ratios. They even have extra staff so people can take vacations and have days off without it being a problem. They give everyone very good compensation and the big time administrators stop…

Medical resources will always be limited. There is no way to get around the fact that people are willing to spend nigh infinite amounts of money staying alive a little longer. There is no way around rationing. You either ration through the free market like in the 3rd world, ration via time like in Canada and England or do both like in the US.

Even with zero greed in the system we would still have to ration things.

I'd argue that we are not currently 'fighting greed' at all. The US healthcare system is not capable of prioritizing anything. It's a mishmash of corporate and government entities hobbled by regulation with no clear entity in charge.

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post #26

Everyone knew Obamacare would cause this (or make it worse), but no one could do anything about it because there was no alternative plan acceptable to a large enough majority. Obamacare dramatically increased deductibles, in the name of providing "coverage" to everyone. What ends up happening is people don't pay the deductive. What should have happened is politicians should have worked on costs , not on payments. The…

> Obamacare dramatically increased deductibles, in the name of providing "coverage" to everyone. What ends up happening is people don't pay the deductive.

What does this mean? The Affordable Care Act did not directly increase deductibles. It even provided huge subsidies from the young and healthy to the poor and old via age rating factors, restricting of pricing criteria (removal of pre existing conditions exclusions), and implementation of out of pocket maximums.

> 2: Gut employer healthcare. Just give everyone cash (in a tax controlled way) that can only pay for healthcare. In a two person household they can pool the cash and it should be enough to pay for coverage, with complete competition. People with lower income would automatically receive subsidies that would help.

This was a non starter during Affordable Care Act negotiations due to upper middle class people being up in arms about their premiums going up due to being in the same risk pool as poorer and sicker people.

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post #25
post #3

I’ve been working in the health tech space for awhile now and it’s sad how you’re not alone in noticing this. It’s the dirty secret of the entire industry, and there’s too many things disincentivizing any fixes. The more I witness this the more I realize that having a single payer is necessary to actually break up enough of the monopoly to get some traction on this problem. Until then there are too many middle men an…

I've read that a single-payer system is very unlikely in the USA, due to political forces. The tremendous inefficiency of the American medical system increases costs, but also provides more jobs, and those job-holders vote.

In the USA its all about the money. Those "political forces" are not a grassroots movement, people in the street demanding insurance-based healthcare.

No, it's well organizes, very well paid, lobbying on behalf of a profit-based health system. A system that generates lots of profits for nice big companies.

And make no mistake, they're not going to roll over.

And sure, doctors are depressed because they're finally coming to realise that medical care (in the US) is not about "helping sick people" (despite their good intentions.)

Doctors and nurses set out with the noblest goals, then find themselves inside a system where the one true goal is to separate people from their money. They rile against "adminustrators" while at the same time failing to note that those administrators are the _reason_ for yhd business, and actual doctoring is just medical janitoring.

Yay free markets!

Re: The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

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post #25
post #3

I’ve been working in the health tech space for awhile now and it’s sad how you’re not alone in noticing this. It’s the dirty secret of the entire industry, and there’s too many things disincentivizing any fixes. The more I witness this the more I realize that having a single payer is necessary to actually break up enough of the monopoly to get some traction on this problem. Until then there are too many middle men an…

I've read that a single-payer system is very unlikely in the USA, due to political forces. The tremendous inefficiency of the American medical system increases costs, but also provides more jobs, and those job-holders vote.

That is far too simple, as if citizens voting made a difference. Today, single-payer systems are overwhelmingly popular in the US, but one has yet to be implemented. The political corruption (known as "campaign contributions" which is "free speech" in the US after the citizens united decision) ensures that it won't happen, despite it being overwhelmingly positive in polling year after year on both sides of the aisle.

Re: The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

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Veteran doc and health services executive here. Three recommendations to improve your overall healthcare experience as a patient.

Number one recommendation: spend $$$ on a concierge primary care doc. Depending on your market can be anywhere from $1,500 to $15,000 per year. Why? Concierge doc will help you triage your problems, give you great access, keep you out of the hospital/ER, and help you cut through red tape if you need to engage the system.

Number two recommendation: seek care in facilities in high-income communities with relatively small general hospitals (i.e. Greenwich Hospital in CT) UNLESS you need tertiary/quarternary care. Why? Much better staffing. Much less riff-raff common people stuff (i.e. like homelessness) and much higher patient expectations about quality of care.

Number three recommendation: pay up for/seek out a cadillac insurance plan from a high quality insurer like Aetna or United with a low deductible (not high) and low copays. Why? Makes the patient experience much better on the back end with much less paperwork if you do engage the system.

Yes, I understand that I'm saying "be rich", but if you can afford any of the three recommendations above your healthcare experience will be MUCH better.

Re: The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Primary Care Physician

#40
> been unmasked by COVID

Too soon friend.

Honestly I didn't lay in a bed in the hallway when the shot's mycarditis got triaged as "might be a heart attack". And as for who pays, well that dose cost me $3000[2] and my insurance another $20000, good thing I didnt take an ambulance there. But I guess I should be honored to pay it in the name of social contract and social good. The government gave free vaccines, but didn't own up to the expensive part. I'm all for saving the lives of the elderly at the cost of the young... in vampire movies. But, in real life the boomers should at least have had the decency to at least cover the cost -- something they easily can afford to do[1]

[1]: https://youtu.be/lQQPicCoaG4?t=129

[2]: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FA4cPr...

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