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Re: NYC Slice

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I have found that I need to pay $5 for a good slice, nowadays. Most pizza even in NYC is not good, by my standards. I.e., I can do better than those at home.

Per pizza ($40US) that is getting on for a high-end five-star main meal where I live.

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It looks like the price of pizza has been steadily increasing while the quality going (somewhat?) down. I believe this fits the definition of inflation. Do you remember a year (longer?) ago, all major news sources were telling us that the inflation was only temporary? I wonder why nobody put together a web service that “gives us our memory back”, so that we could make better assessment of various news sources going f…

I have etched into my brain the one where our president showed his seeming contempt for his countrymen by insinuating that we could believe such a boldface lie about inflation.

“Talk of inflation,... the overwhelming consensus is that it’s going to pop up a little bit then go back down.”

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1485791682532675590?s...

Edit: also, there are quite a few Twitter accounts that focus on content like this, though I wouldn't recommend spending much time on it.

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I've got about as good a home pizza game as one can have without a modded or specialty oven, and can confirm, cast iron pan pizza is the perfect place for a newbie to start. The transfer from peel to cook surface is the most likely thing to go catastrophically wrong for someone starting out—pan pizza eliminates that step. No special equipment needed whatsoever—no peel, no stone, don't even need farina or coarse cornm…

> The transfer from peel to cook surface … go catastrophically wrong Indeed, describes my attempts. Any tips how to succeed in this?

I just make the pizza on parchment paper on the counter, and then pick up the whole thing and transfer it, with the paper, to the pizza stone in the oven

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At the risk of sounding like an ad I’m kind of startled at how not-terrible Little Caesars is for the price. A lot of food and a completely reasonable tasting and baked pie for stupid cheap when compared to almost everything else.

Have you been to Cicis? Literally all you can eat + pasta. Dirt cheap. If you're the 'one-meal-a-day' type, is there a cheaper option?

I don't know what it is now, but Cici used to have $1.99 all you can eat pizza buffets on certain days of the week. This would have been in the mid 90s. Unbelievably (suspiciously?) cheap even for then.

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Chicagoan here. It's cute to watch y'all compare that thing you refer to as pizza.

Not a native Chicagoan here, but lived in the area for quite a while. Chicago has not one but three distinct styles of pizza, the deep-dish which many think of as "Chicago style", the thin-crust with a relatively thin (compared to deep-dish, anyway) layer of sauce, cheese, and meats, and the square-cut tavern style. All three are superior to anything the East Coast has to offer, IMO.

The deep-dish is really a cheese pie and has nothing to do with pizza. The thin crust has the texture of the local newspapers. Square cut is only found in taverns and has been cooking all day in such.

The good NYC pizzas are heaven compared to anything Chicago offers.

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Similarly, you could do the same thing on the other end of the state in Buffalo, NY. Hard to find a truly disappointing slice. What you will find, however, is a variety in "style" of pizza. They all live somewhere in the neighborhood of 80/20 NY/Chicago style. Easy to find a nice thin slice, but plenty of thicker doughier options. Never so far as a full deep-dish.

Of course in Buffalo you’d skip the slice and go to Duff’s.

Only Buffalonians are proud of Duff's and Mighty Taco. Everyone else thinks they suck. Jim's Steak Out I will give you though.

Buffalo HAS GOOD PIZZA! It's called Santora's.

P.S. As far as sandwich shops go though, Reykjavik's Nonnabiti (RIP) was the G.O.A.T.

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Even the late Anythony Bourdain could espouse on the greatness of an "objectively terrible" Wafflehouse meal. There's a time and place for everything, and even the snobbiest of us food snobs can appreciate the time and place for the likes of Little Ceasars, Costco Pizza, Wafflehouse, et al.

I contend Anthony Bourdain didn't actually know good food from bad. I have nothing against him, I enjoyed his show, it was quite engaging, and I wanted him to dispense good information--so I could use it--but his recommendations, for instance in the NY City area, were awful. (he prided himself on not describing the food he was trying, all he ever would say it is, "that's good".) His career as a chef was at a brasseri…

The elevation of haute cuisine as “good” and common folk food as “mediocre” is strange to me.

Sometimes a cheap-ass $5 meal really does satisfy people far more than a Michelin star restaurant. Humble bragging about only being able to enjoy non-normie food sounds silly and unrefined, really.

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I've got about as good a home pizza game as one can have without a modded or specialty oven, and can confirm, cast iron pan pizza is the perfect place for a newbie to start. The transfer from peel to cook surface is the most likely thing to go catastrophically wrong for someone starting out—pan pizza eliminates that step. No special equipment needed whatsoever—no peel, no stone, don't even need farina or coarse cornm…

> The transfer from peel to cook surface … go catastrophically wrong Indeed, describes my attempts. Any tips how to succeed in this?

More transfer medium than you think you should need. Experiment with the amount.

If you don't know what I mean, I'm talking about coarse-ground cornmeal or farina, the latter of which is a very coarse-ground wheat flour sometimes used to make a kind of cereal-mush kinda like oatmeal or cream-of-wheat—but it's also outstanding for this job; coarse durham-wheat can do in a pinch, but it's too fine to really be good at it, plus it tends to be expensive while farina's usually cheap (and so's cornmeal, but avoid the fine stuff, you want the coarsest you can get).

You put this on the peel before placing the stretched dough on it and adding toppings. Just spread it in a layer over the top of it. It helps keep it from sticking, which makes the transfer easier.

I've found different peels require different amounts. I had a shitty looking peel that was somewhat-rough, unfinished wood and it didn't require much. It got ruined (I'll spare you the details, but, kids) and I replaced it with a cheap but fancier-looking one I found on amazon, that's dark-stained, smooth acacia or some shit. It's awful. I need so much more medium on it to keep the pizza from sticking. I've thought about roughing it up with sandpaper, see if that helps, but haven't tried it yet—if yours is smooth-finished and you want to be a pioneer, maybe try that. First pie I tried to cook with that thing was the first I'd ruined in years. Still mad about it :-)

You probably don't need so much that you can't see any of the peel under it, though, even on one that bad. My better peel only required a light dusting, once I got my technique down.

Point is, definitely use that stuff, and experiment with the amount of that you put on. The more you have to use, the more waste and the more mess, so there's good reason to dial in what you actually need and not just pile a ton on every time, but you need some amount.

As far as technique: shake it loose over the sink (so any cornmeal or flour that falls off goes there instead of the floor or whatever) right before transferring to the oven. Just hold it level and shake horizontally, forward and back or side to side, until the whole pie's loose and moves freely. If you have spots that stick really badly, uh, try to lift it up and put more medium under it? This has never worked well for me, I've just gotten good at making sure that doesn't happen, but sometimes you can save it that way.

Then, when transferring into the oven, you need to hold it at an angle shallow enough that gravity alone will not do the work—too steep an angle, and it'll pile up when it comes off. You'll need the same sort of shaking action here, but because it's tilted a little it'll also slide off as it goes. Start with the edge of the peel way at the back of your stone, maybe just an inch or so from the back edge of it, and move it forward as the pie comes off, else your placement will suck and, in the worst case, some of it won't be on the stone.

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Not a native Chicagoan here, but lived in the area for quite a while. Chicago has not one but three distinct styles of pizza, the deep-dish which many think of as "Chicago style", the thin-crust with a relatively thin (compared to deep-dish, anyway) layer of sauce, cheese, and meats, and the square-cut tavern style. All three are superior to anything the East Coast has to offer, IMO.

But are not, when you get right down to it, pizza at all.

If you ask an Italian, neither is NYC's

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> The transfer from peel to cook surface … go catastrophically wrong Indeed, describes my attempts. Any tips how to succeed in this?

I just make the pizza on parchment paper on the counter, and then pick up the whole thing and transfer it, with the paper, to the pizza stone in the oven

This is an OK alternative to my peel-method posted below, but it can be tough not to let the toppings pile toward the center, since it tends to bow downward in the middle. I've done it before, it works alright.
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