The removal of C from Android and iOS is going to pay off massively. The current state of things where every government is sitting on an endless collection of exploits is not ideal.
Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
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Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#122Correction: rewrite of PARTS of Foundation There already was an open-source project to rewrite ALL of foundation, but it had stalled on the shores of having to re-implement everything: https://github.com/apple/swift-corelibs-foundation The news is actually that Apple is now instead trying to define the bits/parts to support via Swift on all platforms (the original API's will always be supported on Darwin). The announ…
It simply sounds like there isn't much demand for Swift from the Open Source community. Apple certainly makes a big push for it internally, but outside their platform, Swift doesn't have much momentum.
If Apple wants people to use Swift like a first-class runtime, they should stop treating third-parties like second-class citizens. They have $200 billion dollars in cold, hard cash - surely some of it could go towards the selfless development of a universal future computing platform, right?
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#123I am pretty certain that most of high level use cases for Rust could be replaced with Swift, with increased developer velocity, if Swift was actually cross platform. And that's coming from a Rust fan. It will be interesting to see how effective this rewrite is.
I think the fact that Rust won't provide inheritance based OOP workflows means that something like swift will always be valuable, especially for application development.
What is the value provided by inheritance? It was my understanding that this was deliberately excluded from Rust as it's now seen as a bit of an anti pattern mostly inferior to traits.
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#124The removal of C from Android and iOS is going to pay off massively. The current state of things where every government is sitting on an endless collection of exploits is not ideal.
Considering that both Google and Apple are cardholding members of PRISM, it sounds like a bit of a frying pan vs fire situation to me.
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#125So apple seems to be dropping c like languages, Microsoft says new stuff should not be written in c like languages anymore, and google has steadily worked towards using rust and go in place of c and c++ where it makes sense to do so it seems. There seems to be a trend here.
Forgive me, is swift not in the c family? I could have sworn that it was, but I'm not overly familiar with it.
It was built to interop well with obj-c which is a c superset, but it’s not a c-family language more than something like c# or kotlin
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#126Correction: rewrite of PARTS of Foundation There already was an open-source project to rewrite ALL of foundation, but it had stalled on the shores of having to re-implement everything: https://github.com/apple/swift-corelibs-foundation The news is actually that Apple is now instead trying to define the bits/parts to support via Swift on all platforms (the original API's will always be supported on Darwin). The announ…
It simply sounds like there isn't much demand for Swift from the Open Source community. Apple certainly makes a big push for it internally, but outside their platform, Swift doesn't have much momentum. If Apple wants people to use Swift like a first-class runtime, they should stop treating third-parties like second-class citizens. They have $200 billion dollars in cold, hard cash - surely some of it could go towards…
They want lock-in. If you write something in Swift and it's not easily portable to other platforms then you might decide porting is not worth the effort.
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#127This will take a while, but I'm looking forward to it. It's probably another big step towards "Swift everywhere," without worrying about bridging to C. I've been doing little but Swift since 2014, and really like the language. I'm still "on the fence" about SwiftUI, but that's mostly because of the level of support from Apple, and the [im] maturity of the system. This will help with that.
Yes, and it means Swift scripts and modules that don’t reference UIKit/AppKit/SwiftUI/Combine will run on Linux and possibly Windows with zero or little modification. I‘m a little sad though that they didn’t start this endeavor years ago, because IMO Rust has already built so much momentum that it will win (for the popular, medium to long term definition of „winning“).
Why do you think Swift and Rust are competing on the same grounds or for the same objective? Genuinely curious, i don't know much about Rust.
Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#128Correction: rewrite of PARTS of Foundation There already was an open-source project to rewrite ALL of foundation, but it had stalled on the shores of having to re-implement everything: https://github.com/apple/swift-corelibs-foundation The news is actually that Apple is now instead trying to define the bits/parts to support via Swift on all platforms (the original API's will always be supported on Darwin). The announ…
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Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#129So apple seems to be dropping c like languages, Microsoft says new stuff should not be written in c like languages anymore, and google has steadily worked towards using rust and go in place of c and c++ where it makes sense to do so it seems. There seems to be a trend here.
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Re: Apple announces full Swift rewrite of the Foundation framework (2022)
#130I was in a line once at WWDC in 2011. I happened to be in front of a group of Apple engineers. I overheard them discussing a rumored functional-ish language that Apple was to switch to from Obj-C. They didn't know what it was but they seemed skeptical that it would ever be put into real use. Glad to see it only took 11 years for it to permeate down to the Foundation framework. :)
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