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Re: NYC Slice

#211
post #15

Many who grow up in the NY area grow up on pizza. In childhood, it's often eaten as a quick meal that doesn't require cooking. In adolescence, pizza is one of the only foods you can afford to eat out with your friends after school. In college, there's nothing like a drunken slice of pizza at 1 am. It's hard to overstate what a satisfying comfort food pizza is. There's truly nothing like it.

> Many who grow up in the NY area grow up on pizza.

Average pizza slice that we're discussing is according to https://www.nutritionix.com/i/nutritionix/new-york-style-piz... 500+ calories, lots of saturated fat, lots of sodium.

How healthy is it to grow up on pizza?

Re: NYC Slice

#212
post #90

Native New Yorker here. Out of towners are obsessed with the BEST slice, but the true measure of NYC's 45 degree greatness is the decent quality following a Poisson distribution. My tip: just travel to any random spot in the five boroughs. First; you will be impressed how close you are to a pizza spot wherever you are. Second: you will be impressed with the slice, and with the variety of people who are good at making…

True with traveling generally. The best Thai food I had wasn't at the "best Thai food" place in Bangkok, it was on a streetcorner. The best kebab I've had in Berlin wasn't at Ruya's, it's my local guy.

Re: NYC Slice

#214
post #94

I'm not a New Yorker, but a New York food person I follow has a small rant about how people obsess about the best NYC slice, but that the real point of NYC pizza is that it's available everywhere in the city, like that you are never far from a good NYC slice --- so that the idea of seeking out particular slices kind of misses the point. NYC'ers: how bad is that take? (None of this is to say that it's illegitimate for…

This is why the current restaurant reviews all suck. What I want is:

IMO what do most people do when talking about restaurants, especially in a group? Someone brings up restaurant X and THEN they say "I usually get dish X, but sometimes Y and Z." and then someone ELSE says "nah, don't get X there, go to restaurant A to get that. But I do like the Z they make there", and then someone ELSE has a different opinion like "oh you like X at A, have you tried X at C?".

The thing that's funny is that everyone has these opinions, and often they are pretty strong. Everyone is a critic.

And yet here we are after SquareWhatever and Google reviews and 20 years of faceyspaces and food instragram porn and we still can't get a decent response to some google thing like "best thai duck curry" (my benchmark dish for a thai restaurant, sorry cute ducks, but you are delicious in red curry sauce).

So why isn't there a site that reward people ranking their "top 5 places to get X dish" or top 5 places for cuisine style X", and then you can ask your social network "where should I get duck curry"?

And it tells you something like:

1) Thai Bistro Bubba (liked by 10 friends: molly peter jason) 2) Sing My Thai (like by 8 friends: blahg blah blah)

Maybe not even need people to have a ranking. Just track who leaves a good review about dish X on restaurant R. Cross ref the style.

Gamification of common dishes/styles shouldn't be that hard. People LIKE reviewing food, and telling people about it.

The economic tiers are a bit hard to do though.

And my frustration with a lot of reviews is that people seem to care about ambience and service a lot more than I do. Ambience is like 5% of an eating experience to me. Service? Well as long as the service is average with respect to demand and staffing, who cares, so maybe 10%. Other 85%? How it tastes (... with respect to how much it cost).

Square was close, but their gamification turned into badges.

And all restaurants are basically 3.5 to 4.5 on google. And places that I KNOW are far different in quality vary by maybe .1 to .2, if it's accurate.

The real tragedy is that the rapacious companies like UberEats and the like that are a pox on the takeout industry have all this info, and they probably won't release it. They have the orders, so they have the popularity, and tons of stuff like who will pay the most to have it delivered the most far.

Anyway, and I would LOVE a filter like "remove chain restaurants" or "show only better than chains". I would love to know if my friends or a trusted group of people had a floor for burritos to not bother if it's worse than Chipotle, which is not an astronomically high bar, but it is a good universal measurement.

Like this guy's data should not be in some one-off site. I've also see an chicago burrito site.

And as others have shown, I don't want a ranking of THE BEST in a city. I want a ranking of "pretty darn good" and a group to choose from.

Restaurants have it so hard. They kind of plop down and hope people come to them, but the people don't know what a restaurant does well. They do "Italian". great. Restaurants might do X better than Y, but the knowledge of that is so limited and fragmented. Open some sub-markets for specific dishes, and it might raise the overall quality of that, kind of like what has happened to the NYC slice of pizza, which is so universal over such a large number of people in an area, that it rose to an art that is well distributed and practiced.

I want that for a LOT of other dishes. Of course it should exist for the burrito, the hamburger. And especially for red duck curry.

Re: NYC Slice

#215
post #15

Many who grow up in the NY area grow up on pizza. In childhood, it's often eaten as a quick meal that doesn't require cooking. In adolescence, pizza is one of the only foods you can afford to eat out with your friends after school. In college, there's nothing like a drunken slice of pizza at 1 am. It's hard to overstate what a satisfying comfort food pizza is. There's truly nothing like it.

As a person who also grew up in NY, the slice was part of my childhood. I'd walk home from middle school and then high school and pass the local pizzeria where I could pick up a slice, Italian ice, and play coin operated video games. Galaga, Donkey Kong, and Pacman. I miss those carefree days where the world was simpler and the pizza tasted better.

Re: NYC Slice

#216
post #111

Hello, I am the maker of the website. I'm sorry to hear it's crashing some browsers, I'll try to figure out what's happening. It's a clean install of wordpress so I'm confused what I did wrong. The reason there is an odd amount for dollar slice total is that one place had the nerve to charge me tax ($1.09). I concede that the quality at Joes has gone down over the years. I am closely noting the recommendations in thi…

Do you call it a "plain slice" for everyone else? Everyone I know in NYC calls it a "regular slice".

I grew up in NY and lived in NYC and I still call it a plain slice.

Re: NYC Slice

#217
post #94

I'm not a New Yorker, but a New York food person I follow has a small rant about how people obsess about the best NYC slice, but that the real point of NYC pizza is that it's available everywhere in the city, like that you are never far from a good NYC slice --- so that the idea of seeking out particular slices kind of misses the point. NYC'ers: how bad is that take? (None of this is to say that it's illegitimate for…

meh both are true. The thing is, pizza and bagels and halal course through NYC veins like croissants and baguette in Paris. So there's gonna be discount-pizza and convenience-pizza, but also expensive and artisanal pizza. Often in the same block!

Uniquely to NYC:

- millions of NYers rarely or never cook - melting pot of cultures, driving authenticity and the second generation driving fusion - NYC has a wide range of incomes, driving everything from amazing illegal corner tamales to $1000/pp "experiences" and everything in between - NYC is a destination and people work to live - elsewhere you save-up to move to NYC. You don't "save-up" in NYC to go something else, you just move and stop blowing your money on rent, food, etc. - the food-heavy neighborhoods have an unbelievable number of restaurants. You can cite statistics and even walk the streets, but it's not until you see Google Maps that it really hits you. Let's say you live in LES/EV, you can easily have 500 restaurants in walking distance, with turnover so fast that you can't even eat in all of them, let alone other neighborhoods.

Re: NYC Slice

#218
post #90

Native New Yorker here. Out of towners are obsessed with the BEST slice, but the true measure of NYC's 45 degree greatness is the decent quality following a Poisson distribution. My tip: just travel to any random spot in the five boroughs. First; you will be impressed how close you are to a pizza spot wherever you are. Second: you will be impressed with the slice, and with the variety of people who are good at making…

I 100% agree, and I've only visited NYC a couple times. Each time I visit, I try to eat at least one slice of pizza and one bagel every day. The thing that blows me away is how generally good they are, no matter where I buy them. Of course I'll look at reviews, but I won't walk more than 5 blocks to get a slice. Never been disappointed. Same thing visiting Paris - you can hunt for the BEST croissant, but the remarkab…

Has any NYC bagel aficionado living in Boston tried Bagelsaurus? (In Porter Square, on Mass. Ave.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xup2Lcd4Ers

Re: NYC Slice

#219

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You don’t need to apologize to them. We should be saying sorry to you. Someone who gets enjoyment out of a $5 pizza is in an objectively better position than someone who can only get enjoyment out of a $10 pizza. Sorry!

This is how I explain my refusal to learn anything about the varieties and nuances of "good coffee". If I learned to appreciate good coffee, would I still be able to enjoy common dinner coffee? I fear not.

It's a one-way street. You can love cheap poorly brewed coffee but once you have tried better the cheap stuff becomes undrinkable. Like going from a touch tone back to a rotary dial phone. Impossible.

Until my early mid 20s I never like coffee at all. Then I tried double cream and sugar coffee, then milky cappuccinos, then massive syrupy sweet Starbucks.

After years of "acclimatizing" I thought I'd branch out. I bought a grinder, fresh coffee beans, a scale, French Press, 16:1 ratio. I went black and never went back.

Coffee made well from fresh beans freshly ground has a sweetness a caramel like after-taste. Very little bitterness (comes from brewing too long) and can surprise even those who pile on milk and sugar or even salt to mask its bitterness.

Re: NYC Slice

#220

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You don’t need to apologize to them. We should be saying sorry to you. Someone who gets enjoyment out of a $5 pizza is in an objectively better position than someone who can only get enjoyment out of a $10 pizza. Sorry!

This is how I explain my refusal to learn anything about the varieties and nuances of "good coffee". If I learned to appreciate good coffee, would I still be able to enjoy common dinner coffee? I fear not.

Can you enjoy a Quarter pounder with cheese, and appreciate some nice prime rib?
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