I was wondering if this might be related to elastic's "several customer facing deployments deleted across multiple regions" issue from earlier today? The timing seemed to line up a bit.
FAA NOTAM System Outage
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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fun but deadly. They’re not wrong about the absolute avalanche of irrelevant data that will be used to show you “you should have known” - hence the proliferation of “interpretation” services.
Interestingly, that seems to be a US-only problem.
The linked booklet specifically refutes that idea, calling out Australia and Greece in particular but implying the problem is much broader.
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Double nit: this was not a misuse the deprecated term "The Ukraine" but the correct use of 'the' attaching to "Ukrainian one" referring to the NOTAM basically telling everyone to remain clear of Ukrainian airspace.
nit RFI: What is it about "Ukraine" (phonetically maybe?) that makes me, a westerner in the US, want to put a "the" before it every time I reference it as a country instead of just, you know, using the name of the country? I don't go around calling other proper nouns "the" (mostly). I don't call my son "Hey there, the Bob, how was school today?" (his name is not bob). But if I had named my son Ukraine then I feel lik…
Maybe because it's similar to "the UK" (United Kingdom).
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its a flight planning mystery. Lets say you are not flying to, but flying by, my hometown airport. You decide arbitrarily to use it as a divert in case of awful weather or engine trouble enroute or you just want a bathroom break (this is more of a Cessna 172 airport than a 747 airport) I found a cached list of nine current NOTAMs for my home airport. Because its always better to overinform than to underinform, until…
Is someone who is planning multiple divert airports seriously expected to retain all of that information and recall it in the case of an emergency? Seems like 10% of that info might be kinda useful to know and 90% of it is “BY FLYING IN OUR DIRECTION YOU AGREED TO ACCEPT …”
If I were a helicopter in IFR conditions and I just need a gas stop, I've never landed here, I'd forget about it, there's five heliports within 20 miles that have absolute zero drama. Legally technically the heliport is open but why risk it?
If I were shooting an IFR approach for currency in perfectly clear air, or with an instructor and its midday and cloudless right now, sure, have some good training.
If the engine's on fire, well, your odds are vastly better trying to land than trying to fly 20 miles away. If you're 600 feet off course and below 60 feet AGL you're probably going to crash anyway so don't worry about a crane.
They just have a crane onsite fixing some things, its not like the airport is closed just don't be surprised seeing some extra flashing lights and flags.
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Double nit: this was not a misuse the deprecated term "The Ukraine" but the correct use of 'the' attaching to "Ukrainian one" referring to the NOTAM basically telling everyone to remain clear of Ukrainian airspace.
nit RFI: What is it about "Ukraine" (phonetically maybe?) that makes me, a westerner in the US, want to put a "the" before it every time I reference it as a country instead of just, you know, using the name of the country? I don't go around calling other proper nouns "the" (mostly). I don't call my son "Hey there, the Bob, how was school today?" (his name is not bob). But if I had named my son Ukraine then I feel lik…
“The Yukon”
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you? Your arguments are classic whataboutism, and conspiracy/fearmongering. Read up on the Burden of Proof. If you make outlandish claims, they have to come with substantial evidence.
I think it's an outlandish claim that a technical glitch happened today that caused such a degree of widespread outage that the FAA had to take a step it hadn't taken since September 11, 2001.
Your belief isn't evidence, and you shouldn't present it as such.
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> What's going on? I don't believe the "technical glitch" narrative. I'm sure there have been many glitches since 2001, and yet FAA never felt the need to do this. Are you saying the FAA is not telling the truth? What evidence do you have to believe this is a conspiracy, rather than simply an unusual event?
"Canadian NOTAM Experiences Outage Hours After US NOTAM System" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34344089
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#198Fun stuff about NOTAMs: https://fixingnotams.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Field-Gu...
Fun but deadly. They’re not wrong about the absolute avalanche of irrelevant data that will be used to show you “you should have known” - hence the proliferation of “interpretation” services.
This is my favorite quote: "In an unintended twist of irony, the agencies seeking to cover their legal ass are party to creating the most criminal of systems – an
unending flow of aeronautical sewage rendering the critical few pieces of information unfindable."
Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have any evidence of a technical glitch? Or evidence that there has never been such a technical glitch since 2001?
Do you? Your arguments are classic whataboutism, and conspiracy/fearmongering. Read up on the Burden of Proof. If you make outlandish claims, they have to come with substantial evidence.
That's kind of their point... The FAA is making an outlandish claim, we'd like to see their proof.