I think this idea has potential, but HN might be far off from your target audience.
Thanks! I've been a member for a decade and just wanted to share what I'm working on in data science.
Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
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Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#12How do you confirm the identity of your customer to ensure your DMCA takedown notices are legitimate? How do you programmatically discern between non-consensual adult images being shared against the subject's wishes versus images where they are somewhere public, don't own the copyright to the photo, but the law does not require the copyright holder remove or take down the image? Cool idea, might need to pivot, regard…
We have an error-proof system in place that follows specific protocols and instructions provided by each individual host websites. This helps us filter out 90% non-legitimate takedown notices.
Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#13How do you confirm the identity of your customer to ensure your DMCA takedown notices are legitimate? How do you programmatically discern between non-consensual adult images being shared against the subject's wishes versus images where they are somewhere public, don't own the copyright to the photo, but the law does not require the copyright holder remove or take down the image? Cool idea, might need to pivot, regard…
Confirmation is lower right now as we are working to get people into the app, a DMV/government license before people know who we are may be a too big of a pill to swallow for a starting company.
We do have ML models running in the background to detect abuse and the accounts are flagged to management to reach out to those customers. I don't want to go through all the cat-and-mouse strategies we may have to avoid people gaming them.
If someone has taken pictures for a company and given their model release for that image and its made its way to an adult site, then the individual should not initiate a DMCA. This is something we make our customers aware of before they DMCA content. Also, we know from first hand experience that site operators are quick to deny a DMCA if they do own rights for it. We've talked to them about this very situation.
Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#14I bet y'all would make a lot more money charging $8/mo to find porn with the exact facial characteristic someone is looking for. Don't get me wrong, revenge porn is bad, but charging people money to take it down seems, well I guess better than nothing but let's hope a nonprofit starts maintaining a database like this and completely eliminates any market this site may capture. Also abusing the DMCA for censorship, eve…
The idea of charging $8/mo for someone to look at anyone's photos online is pretty far off brand for us. We're really looking to help people find just their own photos. I do agree the market would be larger but that's not something we're interested in doing. That breaks ethical barriers for us. We have to charge money to cover our expenses, most people don't realize how expensive GPU's are and that's the only way to…
I just don't feel like your motives can possibly be aligned with victims if you're trying to make money off victims.
RE: DMCA abuse, it's probably within the letter of the law, the law itself is broken.
Bonus question: How does this all deal with twins? What's the miss rate on facial recognition anyway?
Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#15I feel like this can be easily misused
We have protections in place to prevent misuse but we are aware that prevention will be a large hill for us to climb and we're working on it.
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#16> Submit clear detailed pictures of your face in order to find porn of yourself. Do you think that is a good idea?
Would love clarity, what do you mean? That is the whole point of the service. If you don't submit a clear picture of yourself, there isn't any way for us to search.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
The idea of charging $8/mo for someone to look at anyone's photos online is pretty far off brand for us. We're really looking to help people find just their own photos. I do agree the market would be larger but that's not something we're interested in doing. That breaks ethical barriers for us. We have to charge money to cover our expenses, most people don't realize how expensive GPU's are and that's the only way to…
I just don't feel like your motives can possibly be aligned with victims if you're trying to make money off victims. RE: DMCA abuse, it's probably within the letter of the law, the law itself is broken. Bonus question: How does this all deal with twins? What's the miss rate on facial recognition anyway?
We're partnered with RAINN and other sexual abuse agencies to give victims in extreme situations free access to our site. Our alignment isn't perfect but we are working to be a useful tool at a low cost.
Some things provide a social good but also have expenses, this happens to be one of them. Doctors charge patients, lawyers charge their clients and we aren't anywhere near those margins.
EDIT: Twins are still a weak spot for us, but we have a plan to build a model that can tell two twins apart.
Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#18I feel like this can be easily misused
I'm not sure what (1) alert per month means, but I definitely think that $8/mo to find porn with your preferred facial characteristics based on some uploaded images seems like a more viable business model. I'm certain there are people who would pay to have a digest of pron with lookalikes of their favorite actresses/whatever mailed to them regularly.
1 alert a month means that we'll automatically scan our database once a month and send you an email. It's more of an insurance policy to make sure we didn't find anything for you that month.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The idea of charging $8/mo for someone to look at anyone's photos online is pretty far off brand for us. We're really looking to help people find just their own photos. I do agree the market would be larger but that's not something we're interested in doing. That breaks ethical barriers for us. We have to charge money to cover our expenses, most people don't realize how expensive GPU's are and that's the only way to…
I just don't feel like your motives can possibly be aligned with victims if you're trying to make money off victims. RE: DMCA abuse, it's probably within the letter of the law, the law itself is broken. Bonus question: How does this all deal with twins? What's the miss rate on facial recognition anyway?
What the hell
Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just don't feel like your motives can possibly be aligned with victims if you're trying to make money off victims. RE: DMCA abuse, it's probably within the letter of the law, the law itself is broken. Bonus question: How does this all deal with twins? What's the miss rate on facial recognition anyway?
We're partnered with RAINN and other sexual abuse agencies to give victims in extreme situations free access to our site. Our alignment isn't perfect but we are working to be a useful tool at a low cost. Some things provide a social good but also have expenses, this happens to be one of them. Doctors charge patients, lawyers charge their clients and we aren't anywhere near those margins. EDIT: Twins are still a weak…
Good answers, I would find this a lot more palatable if you went much harder on the "charity/help" angle. I didn't see any mention of that when I was browsing the site and that's probably something you should be highlighting.
> Doctors charge patients, lawyers charge their clients.
Yeah I'm aware, but because that happens doesn't mean it's the most prosocial system we can implement. I think that you're probably doing good on net and I probably shouldn't have been so negative.
I do worry though that inadequate capitalistic solutions to these sorts of problems serve to preserve a bad status quo in the long run and may end up doing more harm than good?