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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by Dalewyn »

twblalock wrote: post #178
TechBro8615 wrote: post #173

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> What's going on? I don't believe the "technical glitch" narrative. I'm sure there have been many glitches since 2001, and yet FAA never felt the need to do this. Are you saying the FAA is not telling the truth? What evidence do you have to believe this is a conspiracy, rather than simply an unusual event?

In fairness, the FAA was deep in bed with Boeing until very recently and had to be publically embarrassed by Trump of all individuals to get them to clean up their act.

So I won't blame someone if they feel the FAA can't be trusted.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by dougzcohen »

yuppie_scum wrote: post #86
VLM wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All hyper optimized systems become fragile until they collapse. The NOTAM system is ridiculous, no surprise it collapsed ... you can lose your ticket for flying thru a MOA that went active AFTER you took off. What could possibly go wrong with a "push" notification system for every tiny little detail of aerospace scheduling? No force is as destructive as the good idea fairy.

They need Kafka

They use async communication - they need Pulsar!

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by Tepix »

dx034 wrote: post #38

There's a ground stop for all flights now. GROUND STOP ALL FLIGHTS / ALL DESTINATIONS EXCLUDES MILITARY AC AND MEDEVAC FLIGHTS DESTINATION AIRPORT; ALL FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL GROUND STOP PERIOD: UNTIL 1430Z REASON: EQUIPMENT OUTAGE REMARKS: US NOTAMS SYSTEM DOWN

Why don't they use lower case letters?

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by smlacy »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #180
themitigating wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence?

Do you have any evidence of a technical glitch? Or evidence that there has never been such a technical glitch since 2001?

Do you? Your arguments are classic whataboutism, and conspiracy/fearmongering.

Read up on the Burden of Proof. If you make outlandish claims, they have to come with substantial evidence.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by yrro »

Tepix wrote: post #183
dx034 wrote: post #38

There's a ground stop for all flights now. GROUND STOP ALL FLIGHTS / ALL DESTINATIONS EXCLUDES MILITARY AC AND MEDEVAC FLIGHTS DESTINATION AIRPORT; ALL FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL GROUND STOP PERIOD: UNTIL 1430Z REASON: EQUIPMENT OUTAGE REMARKS: US NOTAMS SYSTEM DOWN

Why don't they use lower case letters?

https://fixingnotams.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Field-Gu...

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by sandworm101 »

lost_tourist wrote: post #170
sandworm101 wrote: post #112

I've got a trip to take in a couple weeks. I have a choice: 4 hours of driving followed by two regional flights. Or just forget flying and drive 16 hours point to point. Between today's issues and all the headaches at YVR over the holidays, driving 16 hours seems more comfortable and less stressful than rolling the dice with regional airline travel. I would rather be stuck driving my car for a day than spend a day sl…

99% chance this won't happen to your flight.

It happened last time on a nearly identical itinerary. First flight was late. Missed connection. Landed at second airport too late for the bus (military to base where my car was parked). Had to spend night in hotel waiting for bus the following day.

Time before that, I arrived on time but my bag did not. Had to wait at airport for six hours for bag. Missed bus. Hotel. Bus the following day.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by mjevans »

ineedasername wrote: post #146
maxcan wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. As a GA pilot who mostly flies under IFR, the NOTAM system is borderline useless to me. For every warning about an approach being altered or a runway closed, there are 100s of "birds invof airport" or "unlit crane 50' AGL 5 miles from the field" NOTAMs. And even for the relevant NOTAMs, Foreflight will highlight them for approaches etc and ATC won't send you to a closed runway or taxiway.

Seems like it's the sort of thing that's borderline useless right up until the moment it's absolutely essential. Like the smoke alarms in my house, which are actually wired up to mains so don't technically need a battery, but they still have to have a battery in them and will give high pitched chirps ever few minutes when the battery is dead. And since there's so many in the house, and the chirp only comes every few…

I've had way, way, way, too many 'chirp' at 4am situations in my life. The alarms have _literally_ trained me like Pavlov's dogs that it is _always_ a false alarm, to the point where my sleep deprived brain stumbles through the door blindly into the hallway without even checking if there's heat or smoke.

Some of the other solutions here like cry wolf only if battery low _and_ power's out, or a dedicated LED to indicate a problem, or the one I keep thinking of; gently _saying_ there's a problem with a small sound clip of "bat" instead of an angry Chirp that must wake someone up would really help. The alternative that I've heard many others take is to just disable them entirely if you're in a rental. I'll admit that I've been very tempted to do just that for individual alarms which are overly sensitive to bathroom steam.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by lfowles »

mjevans wrote: post #187
ineedasername wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it's the sort of thing that's borderline useless right up until the moment it's absolutely essential. Like the smoke alarms in my house, which are actually wired up to mains so don't technically need a battery, but they still have to have a battery in them and will give high pitched chirps ever few minutes when the battery is dead. And since there's so many in the house, and the chirp only comes every few…

I've had way, way, way, too many 'chirp' at 4am situations in my life. The alarms have _literally_ trained me like Pavlov's dogs that it is _always_ a false alarm, to the point where my sleep deprived brain stumbles through the door blindly into the hallway without even checking if there's heat or smoke. Some of the other solutions here like cry wolf only if battery low _and_ power's out, or a dedicated LED to indica…

> gently _saying_ there's a problem with a small sound clip of "bat" instead of an angry Chirp

Those do exist! At least one smoke detector in my house has voice (primarily to differentiate between smoke and CO alarms)

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by mikece »

pmontra wrote: post #104
GalenErso wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do secretive spy planes need to file flight plans?

That was a training flight, it's in the PDF.

I imagine operational flights might "officially" start and end as routine training flights, at least on paper.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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Post by TechBro8615 »

smlacy wrote: post #184
TechBro8615 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence of a technical glitch? Or evidence that there has never been such a technical glitch since 2001?

Do you? Your arguments are classic whataboutism, and conspiracy/fearmongering. Read up on the Burden of Proof. If you make outlandish claims, they have to come with substantial evidence.

I think it's an outlandish claim that a technical glitch happened today that caused such a degree of widespread outage that the FAA had to take a step it hadn't taken since September 11, 2001.
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