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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#161

TIL that NOTAM now stands for "Notice to Air Missions." Back when I was flying it was "Notice to Airmen." Wondered when they would get around to fixing that. Guess they finally did.

Both are still in use. For instance during your pilots tests either is considered an equivalent answer.

that's the test that makes you a Temporary Airman.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#162

I'm surprised there's not more activity on this here on HN. I guess info is limited, so I found what I could from ATCSCC notices for today [1]. These are all the notices but portions only w/ redundant bits removed. See link in citation if you want full messages. Times here appear to be GMT: 004 DCC 01/11/23 NOTAM OUTAGE HOTLINE_FYI 01/11/23 00:47 THE NOTAM OUTAGE HOTLINE IS BEING ACTIVATED TO ADDRESS THE EQUIPMENT OU…

Probably because it’s not about a package manager , a social network, Cloud Service and a chat application.

[heads-up: 'r/He\ is/I\ am' in your personal landing page]

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#163
Wondering if this is just standard aging infrastructure embarrassment or could involve a cyberattack? Cause if I were a state actor with a beef this is exactly the sort of soft-but-expensive injury I'd want to inflict: extremely disruptive, but also hard to assess or explain to the public.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#164

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Seems like it's the sort of thing that's borderline useless right up until the moment it's absolutely essential. Like the smoke alarms in my house, which are actually wired up to mains so don't technically need a battery, but they still have to have a battery in them and will give high pitched chirps ever few minutes when the battery is dead. And since there's so many in the house, and the chirp only comes every few…

I wish those mains-powered ones would just shriek continually if the battery was low AND mains power failed; then you could kill the breaker and find it easily.

I wish they just had a steady LED from the mains power on them when the battery was dead. Seems much easier to me.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#165
post #157

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We recently had a house burn in our neighborhood during a power outage that was running on a generator. Generator itself caught fire, so pretty much would cover that exact situation.

Yes, it wasn't like this in my house until some years ago when we had a small expansion constructed and the contractor installed these in the new portions just as a standard thing he does, and said he was retro fitting the rest of the house that way too. ( We know him, friends, so we know he wasn't just trying to get extra $ out of us) For a few minutes I thought it seemed a needless detail, until I realized that oft…

I mean, it is code now to have them hardwired up. Actually, I think the requirement might be for interconnectivity rather than mains power. It's probably both in some areas. It's quite possible, depending on the extent of your expansion, that he was required to retrofit all of the smoke detectors in the home.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#166

I'm surprised there's not more activity on this here on HN. I guess info is limited, so I found what I could from ATCSCC notices for today [1]. These are all the notices but portions only w/ redundant bits removed. See link in citation if you want full messages. Times here appear to be GMT: 004 DCC 01/11/23 NOTAM OUTAGE HOTLINE_FYI 01/11/23 00:47 THE NOTAM OUTAGE HOTLINE IS BEING ACTIVATED TO ADDRESS THE EQUIPMENT OU…

The limited activity is probably because it's actually not that exciting from a technical perspective.

The answer is almost certainly something like "lack of funding forces FAA to continue using massively outdated systems and this is what happens when someone trips over the power cord of the mainframe in some basement".

It's much more interesting when companies like Google or Facebook go down, because they properly fund their infrastructure and there might be something for the HN crowd to learn.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#167
post #140

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Double nit: this was not a misuse the deprecated term "The Ukraine" but the correct use of 'the' attaching to "Ukrainian one" referring to the NOTAM basically telling everyone to remain clear of Ukrainian airspace.

nit RFI: What is it about "Ukraine" (phonetically maybe?) that makes me, a westerner in the US, want to put a "the" before it every time I reference it as a country instead of just, you know, using the name of the country? I don't go around calling other proper nouns "the" (mostly). I don't call my son "Hey there, the Bob, how was school today?" (his name is not bob). But if I had named my son Ukraine then I feel lik…

Depending on your age and general personal history, in the past it was very common to see references and use of "the Ukraine" to talk about the region/area as well as the country (that mostly covers that geographical area). It could be remnants of your recollections popping up subconsciously.

In this case it really was meant to be projected as similar to "Have you seen the Bob document yet?"

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it wasn't like this in my house until some years ago when we had a small expansion constructed and the contractor installed these in the new portions just as a standard thing he does, and said he was retro fitting the rest of the house that way too. ( We know him, friends, so we know he wasn't just trying to get extra $ out of us) For a few minutes I thought it seemed a needless detail, until I realized that oft…

I mean, it is code now to have them hardwired up. Actually, I think the requirement might be for interconnectivity rather than mains power. It's probably both in some areas. It's quite possible, depending on the extent of your expansion, that he was required to retrofit all of the smoke detectors in the home.

Interconnectivity is separate from mains (though both may be required) - the modern ones have to be set that if ONE goes off, ALL go off.

For those playing at home, get the ones that are BOTH ionization AND photoelectric: https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/Staying-safe/Safety-eq...

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#169
post #56

Fun stuff about NOTAMs: https://fixingnotams.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Field-Gu...

"There are three parts to the problem: the system, the format, and the content. The system is actually quite amazing. The AFTN network connects every country in the world, and Notam information, once added, is immediately available to every user. Coupled with the internet, delivery is immediate. The format is, at best, forgivable. It’s pretty awful. It’s a trip back in time to when Notams were introduced. You might t…

I want to point out that lower-case is possible with ITA2. Start at 4.6 of ITU-T Recommendation S.2 / 11/1988 in the Blue Book, basically 11111 & 11011 11111 switch case in locking/unlocking mode.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#170

I've got a trip to take in a couple weeks. I have a choice: 4 hours of driving followed by two regional flights. Or just forget flying and drive 16 hours point to point. Between today's issues and all the headaches at YVR over the holidays, driving 16 hours seems more comfortable and less stressful than rolling the dice with regional airline travel. I would rather be stuck driving my car for a day than spend a day sl…

99% chance this won't happen to your flight.
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