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I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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Yeah, well these are the same type of people that won't hire you if they don't like your suit at the interview. They think you are being disrespectful or unfit if you wear the wrong tie.

Pure and simple, they are lazy and their laziness affects people's livelihoods. There is absolutley nothing poor grammar tells you about a person that you can't verify in an interview.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

#22
>> And, for better or worse, people judge you if you can’t tell the difference between their, there, and they’re.

Their, there, and they're what?

I mean, it's fine if you don't like quotation marks ("inverted commas") but don't then go and complain about other peoples' grammar because they don't "care about [those] details".

Also, "itses"? itses? You have got to be Jo King.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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"I Won’t Hire People Who Use Poor Grammar. Here’s Why" Followed by irrelevant rationalizations to justify a pre-made decision. > Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can’t distinguish between “to” and “too,” their applications go into the bin. If you…

to be fair, when "to" and "too" is not a typo, its quite insane. especially I sometimes see it from english native speakers, and one just has to wonder "how does this happen???"

"Quite insane"??

How it happens: brain fart. We make mistakes for a lot of reasons, all the time, and it's not always logical, like the "it's" you got wrong while probably knowing full well the right spelling.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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"if job hopefuls can’t distinguish between “to” and “too,” Why do English speakers consistently label spelling mistakes as "grammar" mistakes? Doesn't English have a distinction between spelling and grammar?

Someone using to vs too is not misspelling a word; they don't know the difference between two words. That's a grammar mistake. Would you say this is a misspelling? "I hope they share there food with me."

No, it is not. Spelling is the lexer's business, parsing is the grammar's business.

"I hope they share there food with me."

Of course this is a misspelling.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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post #14

"if job hopefuls can’t distinguish between “to” and “too,” Why do English speakers consistently label spelling mistakes as "grammar" mistakes? Doesn't English have a distinction between spelling and grammar?

Someone using to vs too is not misspelling a word; they don't know the difference between two words. That's a grammar mistake. Would you say this is a misspelling? "I hope they share there food with me."

"to" vs "too" are close enough that could be either a spelling mistake or a grammar mistake. If they get it wrong every time then it's a grammar mistake, if they get it wrong only once, then it was probably a spelling mistake.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

#26
His argument is based on an invalid assumption that grammar and languages is immutable or at least that there is only a single source of truth but that is not the case. Language varies with the geography and age and continually evolves and changes.

As long as the idea gets across that’s all that matters. No one will mistake too for to so it’s pointless to care.

I wonder if the grammar test is still used because for any non -writing roles he lacks validity to use it as selection instrument.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason a whole English speaking country also says "on accident" instead of "by accident" and "I could care less" instead of "I couldn't care less"... lack of critical thinking and momentum.

I get the problem with “I could care less” (taken literally, it’s the opposite of what they meant), but what’s wrong with “on accident”? It’s just an arbitrary convention that the common expression is “by accident”, and the other one makes sense by being parallel to “on purpose”. Edit: also “on command”, “on request”, “on occasion”.

On implies that despite being an accident it was somehow intentional. You "arrive on time" but you don't "fall over on accident". By implies some process not within your control.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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His argument is based on an invalid assumption that grammar and languages is immutable or at least that there is only a single source of truth but that is not the case. Language varies with the geography and age and continually evolves and changes. As long as the idea gets across that’s all that matters. No one will mistake too for to so it’s pointless to care. I wonder if the grammar test is still used because for a…

I get your living language counter-argument, but I must say that I enjoyed reading it and taking it under consideration precisely because it was well formulated.

However, I’d say that just because something is “living”, that doesn’t mean that it’s also saved from deterioration.

I don’t think we can easily do away with grammar and syntax without detrimental effects to language and communication.

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

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post #17

It feels so narrow, almost like the author hasn't met enough people in their life. People get grammar wrong all the time for many different reasons that are not always "logical": tiredness, loss of focus, focus elsewhere (on the actual content, for instance), dys-something, lack of sleep, something else. And for some reasons, it's not always easy to spot our own mistakes when proofreading. But that's a very well-know…

I wish there was an easy way to correct typos online for the sake of the next person. I understand that this would open the door wide for abuse, but I can dream, right?

Re: I won’t hire people who use poor grammar (2012)

#30
Unfortunately this is a fairly shortsighted and superficial article which results in severely reducing the pool of people you can work with to a native speaker heavy demographic. The core of the problem is that it assumed care for detail in a domain the writer of the article is comfortable with, translates to care for detail in every other domain. I find this to be a particular self centric view of the world. It is self evidently false, particularly when you are talking about non native speakers who require significantly more time and effort to achieve parity in English expressiveness. This is unfortunate and is a reflection of parts of corporate America that confuse form for substance. It’s where long performative meetings, low signal to noise PowerPoint presentations, and dress to impress culture originated in the corporate world. Fortunately not all companies think this way, and say what you will about the tech sector, it has significantly moved away from performative corporate America behavior. It has brought other problems to the world, but performative corporate antics was not one of them.
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