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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#21
Are 2020s the years where the cold war is back as a lukewarm war, and also all of NA aviation needs to reconvene with its decrepit software? Next plot-twist, it was all ready to blow, but ultimately triggered by Russian/Chinese/North Korean hackers.

Ok, taking off my tinfoil hat. Still, maybe I'm suffering of nostalgia bias but the last few years really make for a lot of prime source material for docudramas.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#22
https://twitter.com/AUStinAirport/status/1613134228321087488

> An FAA system outage is causing ground stops at AUS and other airports across the country. Arriving & departing passengers can expect delays this morning & through the day.

If you’re flying today, it’s gonna be a rough one.

edit: BBC now confirming a full ground stop. https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1613151796955856896

https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=28&adv_dat...

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#23
post #5

Any source for the claim of a ground stop? I see plenty of flights still taking off.

The most recent one seems to say something like that. ATCSCC ADVZY 023 DCC 01/11/2023 ALL UAL MAIN AND SUBS GROUND STOP Not that I know how to read it. The event time is three minutes ago. https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=23&adv_dat...

Air Traffic Control System Command Center Advisory 23 by the Traffic Management Command Center (DCC) at date [..] - all united airlines ... ground stop.

Here is about ground stops: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/foa_html...

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#24

Are 2020s the years where the cold war is back as a lukewarm war, and also all of NA aviation needs to reconvene with its decrepit software? Next plot-twist, it was all ready to blow, but ultimately triggered by Russian/Chinese/North Korean hackers. Ok, taking off my tinfoil hat. Still, maybe I'm suffering of nostalgia bias but the last few years really make for a lot of prime source material for docudramas.

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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#26

Are 2020s the years where the cold war is back as a lukewarm war, and also all of NA aviation needs to reconvene with its decrepit software? Next plot-twist, it was all ready to blow, but ultimately triggered by Russian/Chinese/North Korean hackers. Ok, taking off my tinfoil hat. Still, maybe I'm suffering of nostalgia bias but the last few years really make for a lot of prime source material for docudramas.

No need for a tinfoil hat. Such systems are prime targets for states hostile to the U.S. If this one wasn't before, it will be now.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#27

If I'm understanding the situation correctly: the system stopped processing updates yesterday afternoon and it wasn't a big deal, then they tried restarting it this morning to fix it and it didn't come back up, so now older NOTAMs from before the issue started are not available. Is that right? Do airlines/planes keep a cached copy of these? How large is the NOTAM database?

Not really. And for most commercial pilots this may come down to whether or not ForeFlight caches theirs or not. I'd actually be really curious to see unofficial commentary from ForeFlight developers about this because it's a pretty unique scenario in the age of electronic flight bags.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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post #11

Nothing in the linked page confirms the ground stop mentioned in the title. Reddit comments say that there is no FAA ground stop, but airlines are making individual decisions about it. https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/108yjgz/faa_notams_...

There was a brief ground stop (I'm currently flying and it momentarily held us up) but Delta at the least isn't stopping entirely.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#29

Are 2020s the years where the cold war is back as a lukewarm war, and also all of NA aviation needs to reconvene with its decrepit software? Next plot-twist, it was all ready to blow, but ultimately triggered by Russian/Chinese/North Korean hackers. Ok, taking off my tinfoil hat. Still, maybe I'm suffering of nostalgia bias but the last few years really make for a lot of prime source material for docudramas.

Forensic analysis will reveal that there were multiple hidden failures over the past years that were covered up by foreign hackers to ensure their backdoors were not revealed in an in-depth investigation.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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post #11

Nothing in the linked page confirms the ground stop mentioned in the title. Reddit comments say that there is no FAA ground stop, but airlines are making individual decisions about it. https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/108yjgz/faa_notams_...

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-faa-sa...
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