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So how does this compare with Tesla? Is what I’d want to know. These levels maybe ok for engineers . Consumers like me watch YouTube videos to tell how good a car is at self driving
> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…
In Germany (where this system is already available) Mercedes takes liability and the system gives the driver a 10 second advanced warning before they have to take over. It's also only available on certain stretches of the Autobahn. If the system allows you to enable it, you can use it. The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.
That's weird; usually laws are behind the tech, not ahead of it.
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> how does this compare with Tesla? Mercedes appears to be indemnifying drivers when its tech is engaged. That's frankly the bigger first for me than SAE Level 3.
Might also be a problem because I am sure this is a calculated risk. We can pay X amount of law suites until our profit is impacted. Didn't Ford do a similar thing with their explorer? They knew about a roll over issue but decided that it was finacilly cheaper to pay the lawsuits than recall the vehicle.
Sure hope it was! Point is they're putting their money where their mouth is. That's new.
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> Mercedes takes liability This has to be the standard for all but the most egregious examples of other-driver-at-fault crashes. That, together with marketing standards, e.g. you can say FSD but you have to also disclose Level 2, should help clean things up while incentivizing good development.
Certainly. But companies will offer this only if the downside risk is bearable. Which, (IANAL) is quite certainly much bigger in the US than in Germany.
Is the liability in Germany uncapped?
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For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…
It seems to me that a large part of HN users are over forty. I'm over forty. When I was twenty, every new technology that promised the world was to be believed. Now that I'm over forty, the bar for believing in a new hype is very very high. This may be more a result of news outlets exaggerating claims, than of actual creative entities themselves overpromising.
"We" built a free, open, internet. Which brought the twentiers mostly surveillance capitalism by a few monopolists. "We" built a system in which companies that seed division can generate trillions of revenue from that. Twentiers (tweens?) rightfully are sceptical about the things I am sceptical about today, but which I rooted for (and spent my energy on) in my twenties.
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You don't have to press the breaks or gas when you are following someone without changing lanes.
My 2016 adaptive cruise control already does this. There must be more to it than this. ACC will follow the car in front of me to a complete stop if necessary already. And then resume too.
I doubt your liability is waved when reading a book while using the adaptive cruise control in your car.
More than zero hands should be on the wheel and your eyes should be on the road.
If you can't be bothered to do this, perhaps find another mode of transport.
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I think it’s a branding issue. It was supposed to be a SV darling to do it first, not some legacy German carmaker. You can see significantly more negativity for non-SV tech, especially when they do something outside of the narrative. If it’s an electric car, should be batteries and not fuel cells for example. This is also one of the reasons why if a company wants to go big needs to move to SV. It looks much better wh…
In my mind it makes sense for Mercedes-Benz to be the first one to do this. There's probably a laundry list of automotive firsts that are associated with just the Mercedes-Benz S-Class.
I couldn't find the video I was looking for but this is another cool one from the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HbVWm7wdmE
Anyway, the way I see it is, to get positive reaction you need to drive and follow the narrative. That is, for example, providing arguments about how it should be done as if it is a public debate and then reveal your tech. Then you will have fanboys and and hateboys and people will feel involved and if you do it in SV your ability to do what you say you do would not be questioned as much because magic happens in SV.
You say that your car is basically a computer o wheels and the story gets traction, when a car company makes a self driving car it doesn't fit and will need to do much more convincing because the techies will be digging in to find faults. The computer on wheels might cause crashes but the techies will be much more forgiving and look for excuses.
Please, please drive your car. More than zero hands should be on the wheel and your eyes should be on the road. If you can't be bothered to do this, perhaps find another mode of transport.
Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!
I think it’s a branding issue. It was supposed to be a SV darling to do it first, not some legacy German carmaker. You can see significantly more negativity for non-SV tech, especially when they do something outside of the narrative. If it’s an electric car, should be batteries and not fuel cells for example. This is also one of the reasons why if a company wants to go big needs to move to SV. It looks much better wh…
I feel quite vindicated by this, because I've always been (perhaps irrationally) rather suspicious of Tesla. Software company suddenly decides to make 'luxury cars'? Cool story bro.
My opinion is that the German triad (BMW, VW (and subsidiaries, including Porsche), Merc-Benz) may have lost some ground to Tesla when it comes to EVs and self-driving cars, but they have an immense mind- and market-share and will quickly recover lost ground. They have a pretty good engineering-first mentality, too.
Plus, they have always built generally good cars (late 1990s-early 2000s unreliability notwithstanding).
In fact, this is not surprising at all. Audi claimed in 2017 that its A8 was capable of Level 3 self-driving[1], but the system was subsequently downgraded. In the intervening years, the Germans' research into self-driving cars has drastically expanded.
[1]: https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/on-autopilot-into-the-fu...