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Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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So how does this compare with Tesla? Is what I’d want to know. These levels maybe ok for engineers . Consumers like me watch YouTube videos to tell how good a car is at self driving

> how does this compare with Tesla?

Mercedes appears to be indemnifying drivers when its tech is engaged. That's frankly the bigger first for me than SAE Level 3.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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So how does this compare with Tesla? Is what I’d want to know. These levels maybe ok for engineers . Consumers like me watch YouTube videos to tell how good a car is at self driving

Much better than what Tesla offers since you can read a book, watch a movie, etc. Basically you don't have to pay attention. And Mercedes might be taking on legal liability for the system. They do that in Germany, not sure if they're doing that in the US.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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So how does this compare with Tesla? Is what I’d want to know. These levels maybe ok for engineers . Consumers like me watch YouTube videos to tell how good a car is at self driving

This is an eyes off autonomy level. So you can read a book while it does its thing. It however only works in a very narrow set of conditions.

Tesla doesn't have anything that's eyes off yet. You need to monitor the road. Tesla seems to be going for breadth first (FSD beta working everywhere and doing every manouver) and not depth (autonomy only for highway without changing lanes but reliable enough for eyes off)

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…

This is not a new technology. L3/L4 autonomous vehicles have existed for 50+ years. Even in cars, it's not a new technology. But it's very easy to claim something without backing it up. Which is exactly what tesla has been doing with this "new technology" for the last 10 years. People are cautious about hearing news about self-driving, because in the past there have been some pretty major caveats.

How does Tesla not have something to back up their claim that self driving is coming?

This was certainly not possbile 10 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI

How long back in time can we go and still find a Youtube video of a car driving itself as well as this one?

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

Why? As far as I can tell, people already watch their smartphones while driving at level zero.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…

Reflecting on the infamous dropbox comment, I think it has to do with being jealous of the attention someone else's idea and/or implementation is getting. After all, I could build Twitter in a weekend - but I didn't - but the fact that you're getting all this attention. Grr. I want to be the star of the show!

I try to push back against this attitude by leaving positive comments to the effect of "Hey, this is cool!" for cool things, but it's an eyedropper against the ocean sort of situation.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…

It seems to me that a large part of HN users are over forty. I'm over forty. When I was twenty, every new technology that promised the world was to be believed. Now that I'm over forty, the bar for believing in a new hype is very very high.

This may be more a result of news outlets exaggerating claims, than of actual creative entities themselves overpromising.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a new technology. L3/L4 autonomous vehicles have existed for 50+ years. Even in cars, it's not a new technology. But it's very easy to claim something without backing it up. Which is exactly what tesla has been doing with this "new technology" for the last 10 years. People are cautious about hearing news about self-driving, because in the past there have been some pretty major caveats.

How does Tesla not have something to back up their claim that self driving is coming? This was certainly not possbile 10 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9XyHHTTQI How long back in time can we go and still find a Youtube video of a car driving itself as well as this one?

How about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbMt6WDhQ8 from Waymo, 6 years ago.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

I think it’s a branding issue. It was supposed to be a SV darling to do it first, not some legacy German carmaker. You can see significantly more negativity for non-SV tech, especially when they do something outside of the narrative. If it’s an electric car, should be batteries and not fuel cells for example. This is also one of the reasons why if a company wants to go big needs to move to SV. It looks much better wh…

In my mind it makes sense for Mercedes-Benz to be the first one to do this. There's probably a laundry list of automotive firsts that are associated with just the Mercedes-Benz S-Class.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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What’s the technological leap equivalent when I finally turn in my 2011 Fusion and get a car with this type of tech?

You don't have to press the breaks or gas when you are following someone without changing lanes.

Or steer.
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