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Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Compare https://opensource.org/osd This isn't a very minor point, as this was an explicit discussion and is also OSI's translation of Debian's translation of Richard Stallman's "freedom 0". That is, it's an important, and explicit, tradition/consensus in FOSS that users aren't restricted in the purposes for which they may use the software.

Doesn't Stallman's "free" license dictate what you can and cannot do with the software?

No, the GNU licences place copyleft obligations on distribution/conveyance. But they allow you to run the programs for any purpose, without field of endeavour restrictions, or moral police. You don't even need to accept a licence to run a GNU program.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm. When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of…

One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

Also nothing intelligent.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Creating new life forms? Many people can barely raise their own children. Can you imagine if tech companies create advanced lifeforms? It's truly a disaster waiting to happen. It's rather rude to call it pointless FUD. AI messing up our world is real and I have thought it through at great length. Having the perfect friend is actually immensely scary. It will create a world where people interact mostly with their elec…

> Creating new life forms? Many people can barely raise their own children. Can you imagine if tech companies create advanced lifeforms? It's truly a disaster waiting to happen. I never said it would be a good thing per se. >It's rather rude to call it pointless FUD. AI messing up our world is real and I have thought it through at great length. The particular comment I was referring to was FUD about humans losing the…

> You can't really think this a possible or reasonable undertaking. Luddism isn't going to save us.

Yes, I do. I believe forsaking a lot of new technology and curbing technological innovation is an excellent way to further humanity. I blog about it and write a newsletter and talk to anyone who will listen.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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How about this softball question I just tried? Q: "What was the most energy efficient electric vehicle available in 2022?" A: I'm sorry, but I don't have any information about specific electric vehicles that will be available in 2022. In general, the most energy efficient electric vehicles are those that have a large battery pack and a powerful electric motor, which allows them to travel long distances on a single ch…

You’re not asking it to rearchitect your whole company and software stack. I think you’d be surprised by how much value is there, instead of writing HN essays about what we all know isn’t there. Same goes for crypto.

Judging by many of the comments, clearly we don't "all know" what isn't there. In fact, unless you work for OpenAI or the Microsoft team acquiring it, we barely know the surface of what is there.

ChatGPT has value, but it isn't world-changing in this state, and we have no information as to how much potential it actually has. I'm reminded of Google's AI vaporware from several years ago where they had conversational AI that could call humans and make appointments for you without hitting the uncanny valley. Was a sweet demo, public release was supposedly just around the corner. People were talking about how it was going to revolutionize how we interact with technology. Still waiting.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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This is just one of the many reasons why I don't think I'm as concerned about AI models as people around me are, either for art, text, or coding. These technologies today are highly subsidized because the people making them want to create a lot of buzz. Yes, as they mature they're going to get better; but I also suspect they're going to become more limited, harder to use, more narrowly targeted, and more expensive to…

That's a very good point about things like voice assistant, but I don't think your conclusion is right. We do have voice assistant technology and it's widespread and a lot of people use it daily. It's a wild scifi technology and I wish I could use it, but due to the interest of corporate profit it is not something that can be used without allowing a tech giant to harvest your identity and labor. When I finally bought…

> But most people do, in exchange for their privacy and the value of their labor

I don't know. I'm not just talking about privacy -- voice assistants are hindered by compatibility problems between ecosystems, by limited functionality for most non-programming/engineering users, by a lack of common UX between assistants that makes them difficult to use, by a lack of reliability that blocks complex tasks, and by their general obtrusiveness.

My understanding is that usage numbers for voice assistants can be best described as a plurality[0], and that the majority of usage is common tasks like setting timers/reminders or hooking into Spotify. That's definitely not nothing, I wouldn't call voice assistants a failure on that front. But they're a far cry from the revolution in computing UX that they were initially chocked up to be; they continue to be (as far as I can tell) situationally useful tools with a lot of gimmicks tacked on. Other people's millage may vary though, I'm sure they've been transformative for some segment of the population -- but I'm not sure even the most useful features (hands free texting, etc...) are actually what I would call transformative as much as iterative improvements over existing UIs. They didn't take over the world or fundamentally change computing interfaces, in fact we're starting to see movement back towards integrating screens into smart homes now.

Add onto that the difficulties in properly monetizing them and the way that the technology was eventually consolidated into a couple of big competing ecosystems because of the difficulty of building/training them or building ecosystems around them -- these are issues that I suspect prevented the technology from ever being explored to its full potential. We don't know numbers for certain, but signs seem to point towards most voice assistants being at least borderline unprofitable[1]. My feeling is that the people investing in AI-chat models would be unhappy with an outcome that looks like this.

If AI generated content becomes a situationally useful tool that is very helpful in some scenarios but ends up being ignored for most complicated projects/tasks, then yeah, that's not nothing. But it's not really a creative revolution either, especially if it has the same monetization problems. And I suspect the monetization problems may end up being a lot worse, because the data collection and advertising opportunities for ChatGPT seem a lot more limited than they are for search engines or digital organizers, and (I assume) they'll be a lot more expensive per-query to host.

Some of this subjective; it's not like voice assistants are failures. But I feel like if we were to go back to 2014/15 and tell voice assistant advocates that they were going to eventually hit usage among maybe 60% of smartphone users, and would be primarily used as a text-to-speech engine and as a way to set timers, and that the biggest market leaders would still be unprofitable in 2023 -- I think people back then would have regarded that as a pessimistic take about the technology.

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[0]: https://voicebot.ai/2020/11/05/voice-assistant-use-on-smartp...

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Doesn't Stallman's "free" license dictate what you can and cannot do with the software?

No, the GNU licences place copyleft obligations on distribution/conveyance. But they allow you to run the programs for any purpose, without field of endeavour restrictions, or moral police. You don't even need to accept a licence to run a GNU program.

Out of interest are there any copyleft style neural network licenses - eg that require fine tuned model weights are published? (And Affero GPL style in terms of servers and distribution meaning these days)

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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$10 Bilion for the non-ruling half of OpenAI? Impresssive. As a reference Microsoft paid $7.2 billion for the entire handset business of Nokia (which was floundering at the time, but still).

What's the path to monetization for Microsoft for OpenAI/ChatGPT?

API revenue so far (somebody has to be upstream provider to all the UIs to make AI marketing spam), gives them an advantage over AWS, although I’m sceptical they’ll keep it for long.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Gypsy/roma

Interesting. What’s the connection?

They are darker skinned than the rest of the population and the word itself is like a generic name for one of them. I guess it is some form of mutation of the Turkish word mangal which is something like barbeque or charcoal
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