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Post by localhost »

espadrine wrote: post #350
localhost wrote: post #238

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RE: Open Source models, there is the AnthropicAI model making the rounds on Twitter[1] and Stability.ai (makers of Stable Diffusion) are working on one [2]. If we use recent history as an example, OpenAI announced DALL-E in Jan 5, 2021 [3], announced v2 and a waitlist for public use in July 20, 2022, and Stable Diffusion shipped an open source model on August 22, 2022 [4] using ~$600K of compute (at retail prices on…

Does the AnthropicAI model have published weights? It is listed as closed in HELM[0]. [0]: https://crfm.stanford.edu/helm/v0.1.0/?models=1

Not that I know of. But my understanding is that's their intent.

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Post by SilverBirch »

vasco wrote: post #443
22289d wrote: post #351

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It's a complex deal. I think we can assume sama didn't take a bad deal. This is all clearly just a prelude to Microsoft buying the whole company.

> I think we can assume sama didn't take a bad deal. Why? Selling a tech company in 2023 vs late 2021 or early 2022 is already guaranteed to get a lower valuation, but why is it safe to assume that Sam Altman didn't take a bad deal? How do you know for example this wasn't just triggered because Musk needs money? It's very public that he sold a lot of Tesla stock recently and likely can't sell more without tanking it…

Firstly, Musks stake probably isn’t big enough for it to materially solve any of his money problems. It’s not even clear he owns any stake- he was a donor at the non profit stage and stepped away in 2019. Secondly, SpaceX is raising funds at a $137Bn valuation and Musk owns a hell of a lot more than that- if he needs cash, that would be a very easy way to get it. Finally, even if Musk was desperate to cash out, that would not explain why the Microsoft deal is buying up so much - they’re clearly doing a deal far bigger than Musks stake. Finally- plenty of people would be desperate to get into OpenAI at this point so if Musk wanted out there are plenty of other ways.

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Post by optimalsolver »

schoen wrote: post #395
localhost wrote: post #385

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This is the text of the license from this repo [1]. Seems pretty open to me? About this license The Responsible AI License allows users to take advantage of the model in a wide range of settings (including free use and redistribution) as long as they respect the specific use case restrictions outlined, which correspond to model applications the licensor deems ill-suited for the model or are likely to cause harm. [1]…

Compare https://opensource.org/osd This isn't a very minor point, as this was an explicit discussion and is also OSI's translation of Debian's translation of Richard Stallman's "freedom 0". That is, it's an important, and explicit, tradition/consensus in FOSS that users aren't restricted in the purposes for which they may use the software.

Doesn't Stallman's "free" license dictate what you can and cannot do with the software?

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Post by TheRealNGenius »

swagmoney1606 wrote: post #379
World177 wrote: post #377

> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm. When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of…

One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

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Post by adventured »

synu wrote: post #436
swagmoney1606 wrote: post #379

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One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

AI grant is another one. It's not actually a grant at all, they take ownership of your company. There's something about AI tech where it seems important to the owners that it comes across as open and philanthropic, even when it isn't.

The industry has a potent weaponization aspect/risk to it, that the tech overlords recognized a very long time ago. They also know how parts of the tech landscape (eg SV workers) responds to such things as AI being used for military purposes (or similar). So naturally the people in charge of big tech (including the financiers) have to try to lure that labor in to creating what they want, via misleading fakery. Thus it is you get the non-open OpenAI.

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Post by politician »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #438
noobermin wrote: post #173

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People who thought AI would ever be "open source" and not "stolen from the labor of millions or even billions in order to replace them" are fools.

Why? Huggingface is most likely worth as much as OpenAI is today and everything they do is open sourced or basically open sourced. Huggingface is one of the most beloved companies in the world right now too. Lots of interest in them within open source developer communities.

The content that these models ingest though have licenses that they ignore. That's the "labor" being "stolen from millions or billions."

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Post by specialist »

visarga wrote: post #150
andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

Open for people with money. Open demos for everyone else (limited time).

Just like Freemium Speeches™.

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Post by kmeisthax »

World177 wrote: post #377

> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm. When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of…

OpenAI has a very, very complicated ownership structure. They explicitly call this a "capped profit corporation". What this means in practice is that they have a non-profit arm that owns a for-profit arm, and the for-profit arm has some vague and laughably high "profit cap" to meet.

Personally, it sounds like a really sketchy way to work around privacy and copyright concerns. I.e. "we're just doing non-profit research", while smuggling the fruits of that research into the for-profit arm.

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