Not-such-better-living through chemistry

Post by _a_a_a_ » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 7:16 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #228

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #226

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Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other.

> Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. > My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other. I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricat…

Can't quite find it, try this instead, covers the same ground.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-...

> I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like

Well, my experience.

Used to buy a bottle (700 CC) of spirits and it would last about 2 weeks. Became seriously mentally ill a few years ago, started drinking equivalent of 450 to 500 CC of spirits per evening (~1/2 litre), every evening, for a long time until the cash fortunately ran out. At least I could feel something, anything, when I drank.

When I got better the drinking subsided, almost back to my baseline again.

QV also soldiers on heroin in the vietnam war, when out of the stress of war they typically just gave it up iirc.

Post by starkd » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #223

starkd wrote: post #221

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Well, policies that introduce a little bit of friction into the choice to do drugs would be a good start. Mostly, education that warns against the harms. But, your comment seems to indicate you are more interested in legal ways you can use them than recognizing the lives that have been damaged.

Then you've completely misread my comments. Where did you get the idea that I'm interested in anything other than what actually works in reducing harm? Can you quote me? Pumping money into education about the pros and cons of recreational drug use would likely do a lot to reduce abuse and addiction. However only talking about the harms was already tried and was a failure. Most kids will at least try alcohol or mariju…

Yes, more education that is honest about the effects, good and bad, would be the best approach. But that involves a cultural shift where celebrities, teachers and parents all recognize the dangers and preach/remind young people how bad it is. I was not saying you were more interested in doing drugs, but your language just seemed to weight users' interests equally with harm reduction. That is just my instinct though. Sorry, if I am mistaken.

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