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Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by cmeacham98 »

lynx23 wrote: post #342
cmeacham98 wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it seems commenters like "lynx23" haven't yet reached the age of reading the entire comment chain before writing a comment. Maybe then they'd realize the Nazi example was actually brought up by the comment two posts above me and I was just rolling with it as that's the current example in the discussion. I guess they still need a few years to get there.

I am sorry that you feel I attacked you directly. That was not my intention, nor did I word my reply such that this would be implied. I was refering to a group of people, and you decided to put yourself in that group and feel attacked. Notice that I refered to a group, while you choose to vent your feelings by naming a person specifically, resorting to personal attack. Maybe my age-reference wasn't that much of?

Is this not your comment directly addressing me? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34327652

Maybe my browser is broken and displaying the wrong username next to it?

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by dnissley »

andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

There was a thread on this the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34301637

My answer: I think it's that they intend to make AI into a product that can be sold, as compared to e.g. Google or other companies which develop AI internally but only use it to augment their existing portfolio of products.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by jrochkind1 »

93po wrote: post #353
jrochkind1 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any answer or opinion on whether the company "is open", I'm not sure how to operationalize that. But what you can say is that some but not all of their released products are released with code under open source licenses. Eg: https://github.com/openai/whisper/blob/main/LICENSE (an actual product, to transcribe audio, which it really does extremely well; and it's open source code; released last fall) So th…

These code bases are effectively worthless without the training, which is definitely not open.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Whisper is useful as a tool to transcribe audio though. Like you can just use it to do that, without having any idea how it works, and it does that well, and it's free.

But yeah, it's not exactly "open source"... I mean technically the code and models in the repo is, but I get that's not enough if you actually wanted to develop/improve/fork the actual workings.

But it is a working transcriber, that can be used for free, with a license such that it will remain so!

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by hangonhn »

bhouston wrote: post #237
s_dev wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah -- this sounds like Google buying YouTube or Android for billions while they were in their infancy but had proven tech. People did say at the time Google overpaid but they were some of the wisest investments Google ever made. I hope Microsoft don't buy them and OpenAI just becomes another FANG.

Or like when Microsoft invested $240M into Facebook back in 2007, which is one of the all time greatest corporate investments. Even after the massive correction, they still have a 22x return on the investment. https://www.vox.com/2017/10/23/16412108/facebook-microsoft-2... I wonder if they have cashed out their investment?

EMC acquired VMware at $500 million and VMW later IPOed at $20 billion. So 40x in only a few years.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by whitej125 »

lynx23 wrote: post #338

I'd pay per query if ChatGPT had a voice front end without censorship. However, I am not going to pay for a company to select what I am allowed to ask.

With their powers combined...

(Microsoft's text-to-speech models) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34309306

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by yieldcrv »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #247
andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

Don't forget its ever increasing wack a mole game of non-openness in regards to censorship, wrongthink and pornography.

ChatGPT's hardcoded censorship patches really reminds me of San Francisco's philosophy of inclusion by exclusion. I hated that mentality while I was there, and this looks like it verbatim. OpenAI is in the heart of it there, so all is 100% congruent.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by 93po »

turbobooster wrote: post #310
marban wrote: post #242

Their charter reads like a giant smoke screen now. https://openai.com/charter/

To conceal what?

The absolute first line:

> OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity.

is clearly not their first priority, and maybe never was.

> to avoid enabling uses of AI or AGI that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power.

> primary fiduciary duty is to humanity

They're literally concentrating power into a multibillion company (MS) and are making MS their main financial priority

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by jhoelzel »

I see this working in many ways:

- integrated into your sharepoint for money, i actually have the credit card ready for that one - integrated for free into bing - integrated with "premium" office 365 for spellchecking and templates - integrated wit visual studio, but with vs code, you share .. code.

summing up this could be a net win.

We have not even seen the true value of chatgpt yet, when unleashed upon our stacks and being told in minutes that there is something wrong in the backend code you wrote 5 years ago, is going to be worth a ton of gold too...

Is it going to probably most likely suck? yes it sure could, but as with any big MS investment, there is this tiny speck of hope.

There is this little golden area at the horizon, where you log into azure and have your users permissions explained with a single command - ney - question and actually find all those sweet hidden settings in the differently versioned dashboards all across the cloud, that you have been looking for ages.

"John Doe is on vacation, deactivate his kubernetes acces until the 16th of february"

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by littlestymaar »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #287
andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

I don't have any answer or opinion on whether the company "is open", I'm not sure how to operationalize that. But what you can say is that some but not all of their released products are released with code under open source licenses. Eg: https://github.com/openai/whisper/blob/main/LICENSE (an actual product, to transcribe audio, which it really does extremely well; and it's open source code; released last fall) So th…

> So that's one sense in which they produce "open" things today.

But so does Microsoft, Google, or even Apple. But I don't think anyone would claim these companies are “Open” in any meaningful way.

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