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Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by chaps »

pnf wrote: post #280
chaps wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comments he made about the medical examiner's office aren't exactly empty comments. It wasn't hard to find this information, so consider googling before being so dismissive with comments like yours. The FBI ended up raiding the medical examiner's office in 2019: https://www.newschannel10.com/2019/09/24/texas-rangers-fbi-u... Whistleblower lawsuit: https://www.kcbd.com/story/29837207/lubbock-county-medical-e... “W…

I wasn't saying he's lying or not lying, just that it's hard to take what someone in this position says at face value. When considering the words of an inmate on death row (or prison more generally), it's natural to feel sympathy and to act as if the person is sincere and just like most people if not for his unfortunate circumstances. But it's also the case that many people in that position are habitual liars. One ca…

  Now this is interesting. A black man in Texas raised Catholic is a rarity. He's got some pretty overt martyrdom symbolism going on here. His birthday is coinciding with Holy Week? If you're not familiar here's the significance
I stopped reading here. He wasn't black. Again, you should attempt to do some basic research before you make assumptions about people you know nothing about.

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by dionidium »

nobody9999 wrote: post #276
dionidium wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Does that mean that everyone who supports that political party (or even a a tiny fraction) also believes such things? By your logic, the answer should be "yes." Is that correct?* I think the source of the conflict here is that, no, this does not follow. The position I described is distinctly progressive in nature, on the opposite end of the spectrum from a belief that one might characterize as conservative. That…

>I think the source of the conflict here is that, no, this does not follow. The position I described is distinctly progressive in nature, on the opposite end of the spectrum from a belief that one might characterize as conservative. That does not imply that everybody who identifies as progressive believes it. No. The source of the "conflict," as you describe (I call it a spirited conversation, but whatever blows your…

> Not "a progressive position," which is debatable at best, you called it "the progressive position" implying that was the belief of most who call themselves "progressive."

I am actually the world's foremost expert on what I mean when I say something. If we ever have a debate about what I meant, then I am 100% correct and you are 100% incorrect. You can ask me to clarify something, but only I know what I meant.

Quoting somebody's words back to them as if to say, "but but but you said this!" is basically never useful, because you're always talking to the preeminent scholar on what that person meant and you should only ever be in the posture of accepting what they tell you they meant by those words.

If there appears to be some confusion about what I meant, then I am, as one former president so eloquently put it, "the decider."

By the way, since you seem to be so interested in how to have "good faith" debates, you should know that violating this principle is a classic bad-faith arguing tactic that's basically guaranteed to derail a conversation (just as it's done here).

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by nobody9999 »

dionidium wrote: post #282
nobody9999 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the source of the conflict here is that, no, this does not follow. The position I described is distinctly progressive in nature, on the opposite end of the spectrum from a belief that one might characterize as conservative. That does not imply that everybody who identifies as progressive believes it. No. The source of the "conflict," as you describe (I call it a spirited conversation, but whatever blows your…

> Not "a progressive position," which is debatable at best, you called it "the progressive position" implying that was the belief of most who call themselves "progressive." I am actually the world's foremost expert on what I mean when I say something. If we ever have a debate about what I meant, then I am 100% correct and you are 100% incorrect. You can ask me to clarify something, but only I know what I meant. Quoti…

>If we ever have a debate about what I meant, then I am 100% correct and you are 100% incorrect.

You are the person others perceive you to be, at least as far as they're concerned. Perhaps that's something to keep in mind when you're attempting to share your thoughts.

And that's the last I'll say on the matter.

Have a nice day.

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by pnf »

chaps wrote: post #281
pnf wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't saying he's lying or not lying, just that it's hard to take what someone in this position says at face value. When considering the words of an inmate on death row (or prison more generally), it's natural to feel sympathy and to act as if the person is sincere and just like most people if not for his unfortunate circumstances. But it's also the case that many people in that position are habitual liars. One ca…

Now this is interesting. A black man in Texas raised Catholic is a rarity. He's got some pretty overt martyrdom symbolism going on here. His birthday is coinciding with Holy Week? If you're not familiar here's the significance I stopped reading here. He wasn't black. Again, you should attempt to do some basic research before you make assumptions about people you know nothing about.

That's an honest mistake. There are several links floating around in the HN parent thread and quotes without attribution. I mistakenly thought we were talking about this man linked above: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Quintin_Jones

Turns out we're actually talking about this fine gentleman? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosendo_Rodriguez

I was mildly sympathetic to the first guy, who only killed his great aunt. This guy killed two young prostitutes, one pregnant, the other 16 years old. Confessed to the crimes, the. Spent 20 years trying to get off on a technicality. Nice guy. Really going to take his last words at face value.

It would have been more interesting to learn about someone with an unusual background (black catholic texan) and whether that played a role in his story, but it's an incidental aside to my argument about catholicism. Those arguments stand. Do me the honor of reading them.

Thanks for correcting my mistake, though. This guy is even more suspicious in his appeals to catholicism and his lack of public repentance. His unmentioned victims even more glaring tells than an old dead aunt. Not as curious, not a rarity, but even more "damning".

To your point, I do know one important thing about this person: He was executed for a capital crime. That's a pretty significant fact. I'm not obligated to learn much more about him to make assumptions about the truth value of his last words. I may be wrong in my suspicions, but my point was that I don't have to go digging into the details of every inmate's case to be suspicious of their claims. It's the sensible default stance. All liars say true things.

If you don't want to address the psychological substance of my argument that's your prerogative but nothing about googling a specific felon is going to change a justified bias against taking their claims at face value. Innocent until proven guilty, ok. Presumed innocent after found guilty? No way.

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by chaps »

pnf wrote: post #284
chaps wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now this is interesting. A black man in Texas raised Catholic is a rarity. He's got some pretty overt martyrdom symbolism going on here. His birthday is coinciding with Holy Week? If you're not familiar here's the significance I stopped reading here. He wasn't black. Again, you should attempt to do some basic research before you make assumptions about people you know nothing about.

That's an honest mistake. There are several links floating around in the HN parent thread and quotes without attribution. I mistakenly thought we were talking about this man linked above: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Quintin_Jones Turns out we're actually talking about this fine gentleman? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosendo_Rodriguez I was mildly sympathetic to the first guy, who only killed his…

Hey man, all I'm saying is that if you did some diligence before you posted a mountain of bleedingly ironic text, you wouldn't need to try to defend some pretty racist looking shit. Take it as a lesson and move on.

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by [deleted] »

rsj_hn wrote: post #227
nickelcitymario wrote: post #226

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Another way of looking at is that 22 years ago he did a terrible thing that he thought he would never do and has regretted ever since. This does not absolve him of shit, but: We then collectively, as a society, took 22 years to murder him back. Are we going to claim we did it as a mistake? Is ours a crime of passion? What excuse do we have for our violence? "He did it first"? So I find it hard to reconcile that we ar…

This is such a foolish way of looking at public order. The point is not whether murder is wrong or whether punishing is wrong, because after all we are not children arguing about right and wrong. Rather, we need a public that is free of murderers and so when people engage in antisocial behavior we remove them from the public. We don't remove someone for X years because we think they "deserve" to be removed for X year…

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Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by nickelcitymario »

rsj_hn wrote: post #227
nickelcitymario wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way of looking at is that 22 years ago he did a terrible thing that he thought he would never do and has regretted ever since. This does not absolve him of shit, but: We then collectively, as a society, took 22 years to murder him back. Are we going to claim we did it as a mistake? Is ours a crime of passion? What excuse do we have for our violence? "He did it first"? So I find it hard to reconcile that we ar…

This is such a foolish way of looking at public order. The point is not whether murder is wrong or whether punishing is wrong, because after all we are not children arguing about right and wrong. Rather, we need a public that is free of murderers and so when people engage in antisocial behavior we remove them from the public. We don't remove someone for X years because we think they "deserve" to be removed for X year…

I find your philosophy appalling and terrifying and I hope you never hold office.

Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by 12311231231 »

chaps wrote: post #52

"Yeah. The only statement I want to make is that I am an innocent man - convicted of a crime I did not commit. I have been persecuted for 12 years for something I did not do. From God's dust I came and to dust I will return - so the earth shall become my throne. I gotta go, road dog. I love you Gabby. [Remaining portion of statement omitted due to profanity.]" beyond words.

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Re: Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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Post by pnf »

chaps wrote: post #285
pnf wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an honest mistake. There are several links floating around in the HN parent thread and quotes without attribution. I mistakenly thought we were talking about this man linked above: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Quintin_Jones Turns out we're actually talking about this fine gentleman? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosendo_Rodriguez I was mildly sympathetic to the first guy, who only killed his…

Hey man, all I'm saying is that if you did some diligence before you posted a mountain of bleedingly ironic text, you wouldn't need to try to defend some pretty racist looking shit. Take it as a lesson and move on.

Thank you for the lesson, but I'm not exactly clear on what was racist-looking about my text. Please explain if you can, I would like to know so I can avoid unintentional apparent racism. Was it pointing out the rarity of black texan catholics? I never considered that noticing something unusual about someone is racist. Was it clicking the wrong link above and not realizing I had the wrong murderer? As you say, I should have read more about the personal history of the person and then crosschecked his final words with the parent comment. But that would be against the spirit of my whole argument. Something else?
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