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Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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Coinbase is a weird company, because it's got such an obvious comparable: CME Group. CME Group has about 3500 employees, did 1.2bn in revenue last quarter with 680m net income. Then you have coinbase now trimmming to about the same number 3500, 590m revenue and a net income loss of 550m. That's right, as far as I can see, Coinbase loses $1 for every $1 of revenue. Firstly, I don't see how Coinbase needs as many peopl…

>Coinbase is a weird company, because it's got such an obvious comparable: CME Group. CME Group has about 3500 employees, [...] Firstly, I don't see how Coinbase needs as many people as CME. Coinbase isn't a direct comparable to CME because CME only does the exchange function. Coinbase combines several different types of financial institutions in the crypto space: + exchange : order matching engine of buy & sell -- a…

CME isn't just "corn commodities"; they're CME, CBOT, NYMEX and COMEX, and they're a clearinghouse, they operate an electronic trading system, they're a colo provider, and a minter of new derivative products like S&P futures and SOFR. I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of other things. They probably have much more code than Coinbase. It's not all code you'd want to work on, but, from passing experience, there is a lot of it.

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, on scrolling through some of this person's post history, I realized they were a complete waste of time to even respond to. Oh well

Which specific comments do you take issue with?

> I’m an immigrant in Ukraine. I love this country very much. Speak the language, understand the culture, etc.

> After checking out your page, I’m absolutely appalled. I’ve forwarded this to a personal friend who works in the immigration department here.

> Ukraine isn’t your playground to pimp women to men who aren’t successful with them in their own countries.

> Btw you’ve probably seen me around Kyiv in bars/clubs/whatever. I’m the guy always wearing designer + an iced out rolex

Idk man, I think social media has people responding to comments in weird extremes and I just wish everyone could get away from that. Would you really say to someone's face IRL that you won't hire them because they worked in a specific industry? Takes a certain character to be that way...

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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Coinbase is a weird company, because it's got such an obvious comparable: CME Group. CME Group has about 3500 employees, did 1.2bn in revenue last quarter with 680m net income. Then you have coinbase now trimmming to about the same number 3500, 590m revenue and a net income loss of 550m. That's right, as far as I can see, Coinbase loses $1 for every $1 of revenue. Firstly, I don't see how Coinbase needs as many peopl…

The AML stuff is expensive even for the investment industry which unlike crypto, isn't perfectly catered to hackers, scammers and money launderers. I'm guessing AML and support is big a cost area for COIN. This is just speculation as i don't have time to read their public papers.

Take a look at the Coinbase Subreddit to see how many suckers are getting hacked, scammed, locked out for AML reasons on any given day and getting their lawyers to write legal threats to Coinbase. Responding to this all costs money and it's where the Binance model of avoiding AML responsibilities and hiring outside US is superior (until it isn't, when execs end up in a US prison).

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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post #4

First I was thinking, "hey maybe the recent downturn in crypto will weed out the most obvious nonsense" But now I see #1 story on Coindesk "Shiba Inu-Themed BONK Tokens Are Yielding Nearly 1,000%" So I guess we are not there yet

It's all obvious nonsense, always has been.

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

#306

Coinbase is a weird company, because it's got such an obvious comparable: CME Group. CME Group has about 3500 employees, did 1.2bn in revenue last quarter with 680m net income. Then you have coinbase now trimmming to about the same number 3500, 590m revenue and a net income loss of 550m. That's right, as far as I can see, Coinbase loses $1 for every $1 of revenue. Firstly, I don't see how Coinbase needs as many peopl…

>Coinbase loses $1 for every $1 of revenue. Huh, I would call that ~$2 lost for every $1 of revenue.

They spend $2 for every $1 of revenue. That means they lose $1 for every $1 of revenue.

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is no different to other tech companies and startups that have over hired during the low interest hype and have aggressively raised money. It is essentially the VC hype cycle and are meant to dump their holdings on retail once the stock is publicly listed. We're all just see how tech startups and other companies are getting slaughtered over market conditions and NOW need to cut costs, spend less, hire less and t…

Amazon was founded in 1994 and turned their first profit in 2001. A better example would be Uber, which ran negative until they had less than one year of runway remaining and then were somehow allowed to scam pedestrians into keeping their unprofitable taxi business solvent.

what do you mean by scam pedestrians?

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously crypto companies can get by without any real regulatory considerations for a while…

I believe Coinbase is the exception here.

Coinbase is a double exception, they didn't just ask for regulatory approval for their lending product, they asked for permission to file the application.

Can't wait for the next round of crypto hype, excited to see mew use cases along with new scams.

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

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Depending on what sort of crypto projects they worked on, you might be missing on amazing Golang devs experienced in building large, distributed systems. Remember: sometimes the programming language you love is used in a certain type of industry.

Fortunately for me this isn’t something I have to reconcile. We’re a Java shop.

Re: Coinbase cuts staff by a further 20%

#310

They literally had people with 1-2 years of experience conducting interviews last I remember. They were on an unhinged hiring spree before they ipo’d, so this was coming no matter what.

I spent most of the last two years working on an NFT anti-fraud solution[0].

My two prior startups were (essentially) in telecom and healthcare. Coming from these well established, highly regulated, somewhat legacy industries to "crypto"/NFTs/web3 was a very interesting experience, to say the least. Users/potential customers for our solution ranged from creators to marketplaces to collectors/investors. Several very general and broad observations:

1) The anonymous/pseudo anonymous nature of the space is bizarre. I would have multiple voice-only meetings with people using aliases and avatars for all communications. To this day I only know some people as "Mango Man" or whatever. Meeting people who could just burn down an entire identity and start fresh when things go sideways is an indicator of the nature of the space.

2) There is a general lack of "adults in the room". I would get on a call with the Founder/CEO of a marketplace or project that was valued (at least) in the > $100m range and hear and see things that were horrifying. My final breaking point was a call with the founder of a well known highly valued NFT marketplace who showed up (Tuesday morning, 10 AM) obviously high on some sort of stimulant. Within the first five minutes of the call they repeated their mantra of "I'm just trying to get made, paid, and laid" several times. They spent the remainder of the (very brief) call describing all kinds of things I'm pretty sure are illegal. On an introductory call.

3) The fraud and overall criminality is well beyond what is publicly known from FTX, Celsius, web3 is going great, etc. The most common reply regarding our solution was along the lines of "Why would we want this? We make our money on fraud". I was frequently reminded me of the scene in The Big Short when they talk to mortgage brokers and come away saying "Why are they confessing?" with the response being "They're not confessing, they're bragging".

4) Any semblance of professionalism and basic standards is generally non-existent. A HEAD OF LEGAL for a well known exchange (Superbowl commercial) would say and post things on LinkedIn that would get you terminated immediately in any other field. Daily.

5) The more technical startups/partners (infrastructure providers, etc) were generally the best to work with. However, the profiles of the founders and team were interesting - many of them had 1-2 years of junior experience at a FAANG (for better or worse).

6) VC in the space is even more wild than what has been reported in the media. I'll just leave this one at that.

7) Many people in the space seemed to just appear from nowhere. Like some of the technical founders with 1-2 years of junior experience and SBF who had a few years doing something at Jane Street I often times couldn't figure out where these people came from or why/how they were here. Of course this is common in tech (from Google to Facebook founders often "appear out of nowhere") but it was still extremely bizarre for SBF type characters to be dealing with hundreds of millions or billions of dollars of other people's money with either no reputation/background or a shady one.

8) In my 25 years of experience I've never dealt with a more generally unimpressive group of people. After nearly two years in the space, meeting hundreds of people, there are only a handful I want to maintain any sort of personal or professional relationship with.

With my background I knew I would experience some culture shock (for lack of a better term) entering a space that was still (after 14 years) the Wild West. What I experienced was (almost universally) so beyond the pale I finally ran away screaming. I spent more and more of my time and energy attempting to motivate myself and the team by focusing on our efforts to do good in the space but after all of this no amount of rationalizing could make up for the cesspool I was living in every day. Like the famous saying goes - "If you think you might be depressed, first make sure you're not just surrounded by assholes".

Basically, what I'm saying is, when I see the unbelievable-to-most FTX (and other) stories unfolding in the media all I can think is "Yep, sounds about right". When I see stories like this and people asking "What are all of these people doing?" I can firmly respond with either "I have no idea" or "Trying to manage this crazy world takes a lot of people". Thankfully I'm not in the space any longer but as shoes keep dropping left and right I don't think I could be surprised by anything anymore.

[0] - https://fnftf.io/

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