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Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by birracerveza »

phpisthebest wrote: post #88
birracerveza wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the core issue I have with comments like this: they refuse to try solving social issues with technology. I can understand why not business, but every time a solution involving tech pops up, there's immediately people dismissing it with a comment saying you can't solve societal issues with tech, with no proposed alternative solutions either. Ok, you don't want to solve it with tech, how then?

This is the core issue I have with comments like this: they refuse to try solving social issues with business. Every time a solution involving business pops up, there's immediately people dismissing it with a comment saying you can't solve societal issues with business, with no proposed alternative solutions either. Ok, you don't want to solve it with business, how then? A an aside business has been shown to be the b…

lol.

I agree with you, but I also can understand why people may think that profiting from solving a social problem could create a slew of other issues, such as incentivizing the proliferation of that same social problem so that solving it can turn a profit. It's just business!

On the other hand I don't understand this hatred towards tech, aside from "it's new, and I don't understand it, therefore it's bad".

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by jtbayly »

fasthands9 wrote: post #40
paxys wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Technology is the perfect solution for problems like these. So many societal issues today arise because systems developed centuries ago cannot keep up with a population that has grown exponentially since then. Tech's core feature is being able to scale. There will be more and more systemic reliance on automation and AI as time goes on, since that's the only sensible way out.

While I agree that technology is the solution I disagree AI has anything to do with this. This "AI Lawyer" is about a traffic ticket. If we want to make things more fair while also enforcing the laws on the book it seems like the more straightforward tech solution is to improve traffic cameras/monitors such that tickets are given out more appropriately. Or, if it still goes to court, why not just have a system where…

>Why do we need lawyer of any type to handle something as banal as speeding tickets?

You don't. Just show up in court and talk to the judge. That's how it's currently handled. Lawyers aren't involved in the traffic courts I've seen.

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by notch656c »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #129
paxys wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Technology is the perfect solution for problems like these. So many societal issues today arise because systems developed centuries ago cannot keep up with a population that has grown exponentially since then. Tech's core feature is being able to scale. There will be more and more systemic reliance on automation and AI as time goes on, since that's the only sensible way out.

We have remedies when a lawyer is incompetent. What sort of remedies do we have when the AI is incompetent? Was there some EULA? Did someone click it? Should that even be allowed? It is my position that the companies that produce AI lawyers (and "expert systems" of any type) should bear full liability for everything and anything that their product does wrong.

The defendant is pro se and can choose whether to include info from the AI. If you fuck up your own pro se case because your uncle or a dumb robot told you something stupid that's on you.

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by levesque »

awb wrote: post #4

> the company's AI-creation runs on a smartphone, listens to court arguments and formulates responses for the defendant. The AI lawyer tells the defendant what to say in real-time, through headphones. Based on AI’s propensity for being confidently incorrect, I’m not sure I’d want to be repeating AI output in a court of law and representing it as truth.

In the meantime GPT fails the bar exam, especially the free form questions: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/107clau/commen...

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by notch656c »

jtbayly wrote: post #132
fasthands9 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that technology is the solution I disagree AI has anything to do with this. This "AI Lawyer" is about a traffic ticket. If we want to make things more fair while also enforcing the laws on the book it seems like the more straightforward tech solution is to improve traffic cameras/monitors such that tickets are given out more appropriately. Or, if it still goes to court, why not just have a system where…

>Why do we need lawyer of any type to handle something as banal as speeding tickets? You don't. Just show up in court and talk to the judge. That's how it's currently handled. Lawyers aren't involved in the traffic courts I've seen.

I always hire a lawyer for traffic court. Show up with a lawyer and wear a suit. Don't want them to think I'm one of the poors to stomp down. If you go to low-level court in middle America you'll understand what I mean -- 99% of the people there are drugged out and wearing rags generally look like their shit is not together at all and these are the people the lazy/burnt-out prosecutor is geared towards crushing effortlessly.

They basically always offer some bullshit non-moving violation to make me go away. Saves me thousands on insurance premiums and has also saved me from a criminal record for my more serious tickets (like allegedly driving gasp 36 mph by a school, which apparently comes with jail time in Ohio).

Bring on the hate. Y'all know I speak truth.

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by [deleted] »

ausbah wrote: post #6

>The ultimate goal, according to Browder, is to democratize legal representation by making it free for those who can't afford it, in some cases eliminating the need for pricey attorneys. this is the core issue I have with companies and tech like this: they try to solve social issues with technology and business. the issue of accessible defense is an issue of institutional failure that rests on the shoulders of the st…

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Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by notch656c »

m4jor wrote: post #97
renewiltord wrote: post #44

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Tech has solved[0] lots of social issues: - access to general knowledge: Wikipedia - safe transport for women at night: Find My Friends / Uber+Lyft - access to government data: opendata initiatives, a plethora of cadastral map services I'm going to say the obvious thing everyone is thinking. Everyone who has ever said "this is the core issue: you're trying to solve a social issue with technology" has never solved a s…

>- safe transport for women at night This was also solved using non-tech and hundreds of years ago. It's called a firearm.

Unfortunately the patriarchy has been clamping down on this to make it more difficult for women, who often have lower incomes, to get firearms that would better equalize their self defense capabilities. They impose FOID, licensing, and various other barriers to carry that are less affordable to women.

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by hammock »

ausbah wrote: post #6

>The ultimate goal, according to Browder, is to democratize legal representation by making it free for those who can't afford it, in some cases eliminating the need for pricey attorneys. this is the core issue I have with companies and tech like this: they try to solve social issues with technology and business. the issue of accessible defense is an issue of institutional failure that rests on the shoulders of the st…

> this is the core issue I have with companies and tech like this: they try to solve social issues with technology and business. the issue of accessible defense is an issue of institutional failure that rests on the shoulders of the state.

Who's to say DoNotPay won't eventually sell this service to the state, in service of the public interest in accord with the Sixth Amendment? In that light, it may be a tool worth developing

Re: AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent defendant in court

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Post by s3p »

hammock wrote: post #139
ausbah wrote: post #6

>The ultimate goal, according to Browder, is to democratize legal representation by making it free for those who can't afford it, in some cases eliminating the need for pricey attorneys. this is the core issue I have with companies and tech like this: they try to solve social issues with technology and business. the issue of accessible defense is an issue of institutional failure that rests on the shoulders of the st…

> this is the core issue I have with companies and tech like this: they try to solve social issues with technology and business. the issue of accessible defense is an issue of institutional failure that rests on the shoulders of the state. Who's to say DoNotPay won't eventually sell this service to the state, in service of the public interest in accord with the Sixth Amendment? In that light, it may be a tool worth d…

me. I'll call it right now. This will never be purchased by the US government.
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