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The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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> What does Bitcoin "becoming mainstream" look like specifically? Just like your desktop computer analogy, it looks like Grandma using Bitcoin in an everyday, mundane way like paying the electric bill.

Euro and Yuan are mainstream, but I haven't bought either in years.

Euro and Yuan don't claim to be the ubiquitous currencies in your region. Bitcoin would want to be that. Or at least that's what it was made for.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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> But bitcoin, for the first time in history, sets monetary policy in stone and gives all participants perfect information This is as true as saying that the United States Department of Treasury sets the supply of dollars in stone. Bitcoin is as fixed as the relatively small number of parties who run the network want it to be. If enough of them wanted to fork it, remove the deflationary model, change their rewards, e…

What would be the shared motive for any of that tho? Like considering the requirements for forking (and the likely crash / loss of value) does that not present more of an anchor than most / all fiat systems which are regularly debased?

Say the mining rewards fall off as planned and electricity prices go up. What percentage of miners is going to stand up for purity of the original vision versus voting for them to make more money? As we’ve seen so many times already, wasting lots of resources doesn’t make cryptocurrency middlemen any less tempted to abuse their positions, there’s nothing like the democratic accountability which keeps most sovereign currencies more stable than Bitcoin, and every major holder knows that they’re holding the weakest fiat currency and will only profit if they cash out ahead of everyone else.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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I just wanted to add perspective that for these cabbies and normal people it was gambling. It was not “get free from the government” it was not about convenience of digital payments or whatever crypto promise was there. For normal people it was get rich quick scheme and that is why advertising was so annoying. I agree with parent comment - in the end it never really mattered for normal people.

Though for many normal people it was also about buying drugs online which could be seen as "get free from the government" kind of thing

There are orders of magnitude more crypto gamblers than people buying drugs online.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Bitcoin’s value stems from its unique properties as a digital network and of its scarcity.

What would those unique properties be?

Permissionless, as in don’t need anyone’s approval and anyone can participate, transfer of value backed by trustless, as in don’t need to trust anyone’s word for it, global consensus system.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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What in particular does TSLA do that makes it worth more than toyota, honda, and ford combined in market cap?

They produced 20 times more fully electric vehicles than toyota, honda, and ford combined in 2022. Tesla produced about 1.4 million all electric vehicles in 2022 with a growth rate of about 40%.[1] Toyota:1220 (The BZ4X is the only full electric sold in 2022)[2] Honda: I don't think they sell any all electric cars right now. None on this list[3]. Ford about 65 thousand.[4] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/02/tesla-ts…

> Tesla produced about 1.4 million all electric vehicles in 2022 with a growth rate of about 40%.

And their inventory is growing, their backlog is shrinking: https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1609346097733828609

And you are almost for sure American. Check out how many EVs/PHEVs were sold by:

VW

Mercedes

BMW

Renault

Volvo

Chinese manufactures

Everyone is catching up to Tesla and it's going to be just a face in the crowd in about 2-3 years.

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The Cypriots who preferred to store their cash in their pillow did not get the haircut though.

That opens you up to the "gun and bag" risk, though.

Who wouldn't empty their regulated bank account in order to get their kidnapped firstborn released?

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Coinbase mining at a loss makes it more difficult for other miners to turn a profit? The profits for miners = the security budget. The chain will work fine regardless, it's just less secure.

I think the idea is that if big institutional holders like Coinbase subsidize mining at a loss, the for-profit miners become less necessary. To be clear, I'm not defending this theory, it's just the most reasonable theory I've heard. As it happens, mining is currently also subsidized by a bunch of retail investors flocking into the publicly traded miners, given that most of them are currently losing money per coin on…

> I think the idea is that if big institutional holders like Coinbase subsidize mining at a loss, the for-profit miners become less necessary.

I suppose it's one possible future, but I'd be shocked to hear a bitcoiner say it, since it would effectively turn a decentralised chain into a chain run by a consortium of large financial companies.

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So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered. The endlessly breathless PR was irritating. Whatever happens, this wont be missed.

> So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered. Total copium from alt nerds is never ending, but the truth is neither of you know what you are talking about: Blackrock just added BTC to their $15B fund [0], which isn't much in total market-cap (despite the down market) but is a position to say the largest (and most predatory) hedge-fund sees value in utilizing…

>financial history

Challenging to find reliable sources on this that actually include financial statements.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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I think the idea is that if big institutional holders like Coinbase subsidize mining at a loss, the for-profit miners become less necessary. To be clear, I'm not defending this theory, it's just the most reasonable theory I've heard. As it happens, mining is currently also subsidized by a bunch of retail investors flocking into the publicly traded miners, given that most of them are currently losing money per coin on…

> I think the idea is that if big institutional holders like Coinbase subsidize mining at a loss, the for-profit miners become less necessary. I suppose it's one possible future, but I'd be shocked to hear a bitcoiner say it, since it would effectively turn a decentralised chain into a chain run by a consortium of large financial companies.

I agree, but the other path I've heard proposed is for miners to force a hard fork to lift supply cap and keep subsidizing the network with inflation. I think that's even less true to bitcoin's original ethos.

(I also think it overestimates the power that miners have to unilaterally hard fork and have the community accept it, but so goes)

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> I think the idea is that if big institutional holders like Coinbase subsidize mining at a loss, the for-profit miners become less necessary. I suppose it's one possible future, but I'd be shocked to hear a bitcoiner say it, since it would effectively turn a decentralised chain into a chain run by a consortium of large financial companies.

I agree, but the other path I've heard proposed is for miners to force a hard fork to lift supply cap and keep subsidizing the network with inflation. I think that's even less true to bitcoin's original ethos. (I also think it overestimates the power that miners have to unilaterally hard fork and have the community accept it, but so goes)

You're probably right on both counts. Having said that, if the analysis is correct, then it means that users will eventually drive the chain to a place where it's experiencing regular attack. At that point they'll probably not stay around and will look for other options.
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