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The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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> The problem, in a nutshell, is that for Bitcoin and other digital assets to have any chance of becoming mainstream, banks—with their access to deep sources of liquidity and experience in facilitating payments—will have to be on board. For the time being, they’re running in the opposite direction. What does Bitcoin "becoming mainstream" look like specifically? The article doesn't offer anything - not even a link. Le…

What does Bitcoin "becoming mainstream" look like specifically?

When I use it for normal internet purchases in preference to a credit/debit card.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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The title that's inside is not so bad. "Metropolitan Bank Is Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Worried" As for other banks, what about Silverlake. Not many banks are offer crypto services. Regulators are stepping up. https://fortune.com/2023/01/04/crypto-winter-us-regulators-w... It is likely that countries will launch their own digital currencies.

How is the US dollar not a digital currency as-is? I can put physical money into anything that is a bank in the states and get dollars to spend digitally…

Just like a dollar, digital currency would be liable to your central bank, whereas the digital forms of payment that you use now are liable to your bank. So a digital currency would allow people to spend digital money without the need of a bank account.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

#133

> The problem, in a nutshell, is that for Bitcoin and other digital assets to have any chance of becoming mainstream, banks—with their access to deep sources of liquidity and experience in facilitating payments—will have to be on board. For the time being, they’re running in the opposite direction. What does Bitcoin "becoming mainstream" look like specifically? The article doesn't offer anything - not even a link. Le…

Bitcoin already went mainstream; everyone who cares has heard all about bitcoin for years now, it's permeated pop culture, referenced in TV, movies, music, even superbowl ads - we've reached peak bitcoin saturation. The problem for cryptocurrencies is that that they just aren't very useful to the masses, thus the vision of "mainstream" as imagined with desktop PCs will never happen for bitcoin - what we have today is…

I know that everyone has a different idea of "mainstream" for bitcoin, but to me would be that I can expect to use it to pay for "regular stuff".

Maybe paying at the bakery is never going to happen with crypto, but would be nice if I could pay my next car or used car with it.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

#134

If I were a bank, I'd stay far away from any non-bitcoin cryptos that I'm not an issuer of. Why would I want to own a coin that someone else is able to freely devalue, in addition to conventional currencies? On the other hand, if I were a bank, bitcoin presents a compelling argument. The supply is finite. Disclaimer: I don't own any crypto or bitcoin.

Why would a bank use Bitcoin instead of forking it? If a bank uses Bitcoin, they are buying out the early holders who got in cheap. They’d be better if with a fork - plus they can fix a lot of issues with scaling, cost, and energy usage.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

#135

If I were a bank, I'd stay far away from any non-bitcoin cryptos that I'm not an issuer of. Why would I want to own a coin that someone else is able to freely devalue, in addition to conventional currencies? On the other hand, if I were a bank, bitcoin presents a compelling argument. The supply is finite. Disclaimer: I don't own any crypto or bitcoin.

How being the supply finite is relevant? This idea that being scarce implies value makes no sense. You realize we can go on github and setup a bitcoin network too, we call it BitcoinYC, our coins have the same properties of bitcoins, why would that have a value? Please repeat with me: - currencies (wheter fiat or crypto) have no value. You can't do anything with them, maybe watch dead national heroes printed or them.…

You buy oil with USD.

P.S. Currencies allow you to exchange debt obligations with entities you don't know and for certain entities to issue debt.

P.S.2 I think you should formally define your denotation of value, as you do not seem to follow the usual definition. Same for price.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title that's inside is not so bad. "Metropolitan Bank Is Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Worried" As for other banks, what about Silverlake. Not many banks are offer crypto services. Regulators are stepping up. https://fortune.com/2023/01/04/crypto-winter-us-regulators-w... It is likely that countries will launch their own digital currencies.

How is the US dollar not a digital currency as-is? I can put physical money into anything that is a bank in the states and get dollars to spend digitally…

Banking is digital, and thus functionally money in general is digital and has been since the 60s. The dollar itself is physical.

No central banks are proposing the use of a blockchain, as that would be a completely ridiculous and counter-productive thing to do. But some are investigating good old-fashioned centralized ledgers that work, can scale, are cheap to run, have reversibility, have fraud protection, have identification, etc.

Introducing a digital dollar would be a new piece of the financial infrastructure.

Possible reasons to want it might be:

1) Better auditability

2) Quicker for the government to send stimulus payments to boost the economy

3) Possibility of implementing new monetary levers like demurrage

Ultimately, whether it is implemented or not, would not make too much visible difference in our lives. And we would almost certainly carry on with using deposit accounts, because digital dollar accounts probably wouldn't pay interest. Most of it would probably just be held as bank reserves, and individuals would generally want to move it out of there unless the government got into the business of providing deposit accounts as well.

I don't think the US will be rushing to nationalize commercial banking anytime soon.

Improvements like Same-Day ACH and Zelle have been rolling out, and these are much more relevant to consumers.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

#137

> The problem, in a nutshell, is that for Bitcoin and other digital assets to have any chance of becoming mainstream, banks—with their access to deep sources of liquidity and experience in facilitating payments—will have to be on board. For the time being, they’re running in the opposite direction. What does Bitcoin "becoming mainstream" look like specifically? The article doesn't offer anything - not even a link. Le…

Bitcoin already went mainstream; everyone who cares has heard all about bitcoin for years now, it's permeated pop culture, referenced in TV, movies, music, even superbowl ads - we've reached peak bitcoin saturation. The problem for cryptocurrencies is that that they just aren't very useful to the masses, thus the vision of "mainstream" as imagined with desktop PCs will never happen for bitcoin - what we have today is…

There's a difference between being known by the mainstream and being used by the mainstream. Bitcoin is the former, but not yet the latter. It appears that Bitcoin's main use case is as a long-term store of value (like Gold, but digital). It will be very helpful to have a currency that anyone can use without one country's central bank controlling it, and with Bitcoin's strong network effects, its only a matter of time before it becomes adopted by more commercial banks, central banks, and individuals.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin already went mainstream; everyone who cares has heard all about bitcoin for years now, it's permeated pop culture, referenced in TV, movies, music, even superbowl ads - we've reached peak bitcoin saturation. The problem for cryptocurrencies is that that they just aren't very useful to the masses, thus the vision of "mainstream" as imagined with desktop PCs will never happen for bitcoin - what we have today is…

I know that everyone has a different idea of "mainstream" for bitcoin, but to me would be that I can expect to use it to pay for "regular stuff". Maybe paying at the bakery is never going to happen with crypto, but would be nice if I could pay my next car or used car with it.

I'd like this to, but to me it's still unclear whether Bitcoin's potential will be just as a reserve currency and store-of-value (like Gold), or also as a unit of account and medium of exchange (like the dollar). I'm more confident in the former and less on the latter.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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I don't tend to associate privacy with an asset whose transactions are recorded in a public ledger for all to see.

Do you support forcing KYC laws onto exchanges? Or the cryptocurrency transaction tracking laws in the EU? I’m looking for a yes or no answer.

Yes. Why should cryptocurrencies allow fraudulent money transfers to North Korea and not banks that can do them more cheaply? Hint: there is no good reason. Regulation will catch up.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin already went mainstream; everyone who cares has heard all about bitcoin for years now, it's permeated pop culture, referenced in TV, movies, music, even superbowl ads - we've reached peak bitcoin saturation. The problem for cryptocurrencies is that that they just aren't very useful to the masses, thus the vision of "mainstream" as imagined with desktop PCs will never happen for bitcoin - what we have today is…

I know that everyone has a different idea of "mainstream" for bitcoin, but to me would be that I can expect to use it to pay for "regular stuff". Maybe paying at the bakery is never going to happen with crypto, but would be nice if I could pay my next car or used car with it.

That’s the problem: the problems Bitcoin is solving aren’t problems in the first place.
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