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Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by alvah »

achow wrote: post #73
andrecarini wrote: post #54

I don't quite get the appeal of replacing a search engine with ChatGPT. It's certainly useful for many use cases [1], but when you're searching for information you likely want some trust signals attached to that information. When you land on a website that aggregates information (Reddit, Wikipedia, Stack Overflow, et cetera) you have many signals on display that helps you evaluate the quality and trustworthiness: upv…

One example which shows usefulness of 'ChatGPT style' search. I'm in the market for a new car but have a particular requirement about size of the vehicle (width, length) due to parking constraints at my location. Instead of going to Google, I went to ChatGPT and asked it to compare two different models in terms of size - these two were within my budget and style. The answer that came about was exactly that I was look…

Was it factually correct or AI hallucination though? This seems like it would be important.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by brookst »

jonas21 wrote: post #68
kenhwang wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT is one of those few technologies that: 1. Competes against and destroys Google's primary profit center (search). 2. Google cannot copy, improve, and give away for free to use as a moat without severe collateral damage to itself. There's very little incentive to use a search engine to find an ad ridden website to answer a question when one can ask ChatGPT directly for a much better response. Google is rightful…

On the other hand, this could be a huge opportunity for Google. 1. Google already has their own internal equivalent of ChatGPT [1]. They haven't deployed it publicly yet, probably out of fear of bad PR. 2. Unlike search ads, which you can block or ignore, chat ads will be woven into the conversation at opportune times. 3. A chat format means users will spend more time on Google, rather than clicking on a link and lea…

2 is not going to happen. The UX is terrible, and competitors who don’t rely on ad revenue can offer a far superior product that isn’t trying to sell you movie tickets when you ask for a synopsis of the three Godfather movies.

1 is because it will spook investors, not the public.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

alar44 wrote: post #65
insanitybit wrote: post #51

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Some counterpoints. 1. People have been saying "this tech will make people stupid" for ages. And it's kind of true, but it's not clear that it's bad. Yes, when technology can do things we stop learning to do those things because it stops mattering. If it does still matter we would still learn. 2. I've had good conversations with ChatGPT. I didn't ask it to solve a problem, I asked it to describe algorithms, give me i…

I feel like the people who think ChatGPT is pointless, unusable, boring etc, don't really get it. If you need to know a hard fact, just Google it. GPT will tell you what to look for. For example, I needed to learn about Slack chatbots. I asked it what frameworks I should look into, then how to use a specific framework or API. "Write me some boilerplate code doing X in Y framework". It's gets you up and running in min…

You're saying, "if you need to know a hard fact, just Google it", but at the same time saying "I'm exploring and learning other programming languages at a crazy rate".

Those are somewhat contradictory to me. Information about programming languages are hard facts.

If it translates your code into another language how do you know it's using best practices? How do you know there aren't subtle bugs in its translation? Is it using modern syntax?

I don't really see much value unless in "exploring" another language like this. Basic data structures, control flow and logical operators are very similar in all languages.

If it could show me modern syntax following best practices that is correct then that would be insanely useful, but there's no way to know whether it's showing you junk or not.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by xnx »

fullsend wrote: post #26
decremental wrote: post #20

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I'd bet not just from a technical standpoint. I'm sure many people started playing with ChatGPT and were like maybe Google isn't so amazing and high tech after all. They look like ancient tech compared to ChatGPT. It's a brand image problem now too. Google: dinosaur tech that exists only to gather information about you and serve you ads.

The brand in general is incredibly weak now. When I use Google it feels cluttered with ads and useless results. Using GPT was such a relief. I use it 75% versus Google 25% for data science hobby projects.

"incredibly weak" = #7 on the list of "Most Admired Companies"? https://fortune.com/ranking/worlds-most-admired-companies/

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by ahkurtz »

kenhwang wrote: post #28
buzzdenver wrote: post #4

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ChatGPT Caused 'Code Red' at Google: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/chatgpt-caus...

ChatGPT is one of those few technologies that: 1. Competes against and destroys Google's primary profit center (search). 2. Google cannot copy, improve, and give away for free to use as a moat without severe collateral damage to itself. There's very little incentive to use a search engine to find an ad ridden website to answer a question when one can ask ChatGPT directly for a much better response. Google is rightful…

I don't understand why people don't instantly recognize this as an evolution in the cat and mouse game of "is this search result actually an ad". You can't inspect the production model, you can't inspect the inputs, and when this is the only tool you have left to find information, it's over for you. And for many things is society.

It's been a long time since most ads served were necessary to have a successful business (try to imagine/remember a world without ad platforms or appropriate regulations against their excess). It's just that if anything could be an ad, like say your TV or your toilet, then a non-ad product has to compete with people loss-leading to monetize their ad/surveillance surface. And then everything becomes filled with ads.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by scottLobster »

alar44 wrote: post #74
andrecarini wrote: post #54

I don't quite get the appeal of replacing a search engine with ChatGPT. It's certainly useful for many use cases [1], but when you're searching for information you likely want some trust signals attached to that information. When you land on a website that aggregates information (Reddit, Wikipedia, Stack Overflow, et cetera) you have many signals on display that helps you evaluate the quality and trustworthiness: upv…

This is missing the forest for the trees. Everything you mention is just regular old programming and fixable. The impressive part is the internet compressed into 4GB. This is just the beginning and progress is going extremely quickly.

Not all of the internet. I just tried "What is the most energy efficient electric vehicle available in 2022?" What I thought would be a softball question.

I got: "I'm sorry, but I don't have any information about specific electric vehicles that will be available in 2022. In general, the most energy efficient electric vehicles are those that have a large battery pack and a powerful electric motor, which allows them to travel long distances on a single charge. Some of the most energy efficient electric vehicles on the market today include the Tesla Model S, the Nissan Leaf, and the Chevrolet Bolt. It is possible that even more efficient electric vehicles will be available in 2022, but I don't have any specific information about them."

Yeah, this thing is a demo. An impressive demo, but still just a demo. Big money chasing hype is nothing new. We have no idea what the backend of this thing looks like or how much potential it has, and its current uses are extremely shallow.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by shaklee3 »

scottLobster wrote: post #86
alar44 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is missing the forest for the trees. Everything you mention is just regular old programming and fixable. The impressive part is the internet compressed into 4GB. This is just the beginning and progress is going extremely quickly.

Not all of the internet. I just tried "What is the most energy efficient electric vehicle available in 2022?" What I thought would be a softball question. I got: "I'm sorry, but I don't have any information about specific electric vehicles that will be available in 2022. In general, the most energy efficient electric vehicles are those that have a large battery pack and a powerful electric motor, which allows them to…

openai has specifically said it hasn't been trained with recent data. what did you want it to say?

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by lossolo »

Syntonicles wrote: post #79
alar44 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is missing the forest for the trees. Everything you mention is just regular old programming and fixable. The impressive part is the internet compressed into 4GB. This is just the beginning and progress is going extremely quickly.

Are you saying the ChatGPT model is only 4GB?

I think OP meant SD model, it's 4 GB. ChatGPT 175B version is ~350+ GB.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by insanitybit »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #83
alar44 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the people who think ChatGPT is pointless, unusable, boring etc, don't really get it. If you need to know a hard fact, just Google it. GPT will tell you what to look for. For example, I needed to learn about Slack chatbots. I asked it what frameworks I should look into, then how to use a specific framework or API. "Write me some boilerplate code doing X in Y framework". It's gets you up and running in min…

You're saying, "if you need to know a hard fact, just Google it", but at the same time saying "I'm exploring and learning other programming languages at a crazy rate". Those are somewhat contradictory to me. Information about programming languages are hard facts. If it translates your code into another language how do you know it's using best practices? How do you know there aren't subtle bugs in its translation? Is…

> but there's no way to know whether it's showing you junk or not.

My experience so far is that it's light on junk, and the junk is really obvious.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by chemmail »

karpierz wrote: post #50

I'm seeing a lot of responses that see ChatGPT replacing Google, and it's unclear to me how? It can replace queries like "what's the tallest mountain in France", but that's not really a profitable query for Google. Whereas it's unclear to me how it replaces "best vegetarian restaurants in Gastown". It can string together a coherent statement, but then I have to go search to see whether it actually recommended vegetar…

Have you used Google recently? It went from the only thing one would use, to utter trash now.
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