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Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by alar44 »

testmasterflex wrote: post #35
verdenti wrote: post #2

I guess monetizing chatGPT should be simple, I would pay a monthly subscription for it in a heartbeat. Are there any competitors at this point that can match its performance? How hard would it be to replicate?

What do you use it for exactly?

Not parent, but basic scripts and programming, debugging, error codes, outlines for emails, reports, dry documents, code translation, brainstorming, explaining code snippets, playing fake text adventure games, creating lists, and on and on.

Anyone saying GPT isn't useful because it's not Wikipedia or right 100% of the time are completely missing the mark and imo, is not able to think outside the box. It's insanely useful.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by godelski »

wyldfire wrote: post #29
warning26 wrote: post #5

It’s really impressive watching OpenAI go from “no one can use this model because it’s too dangerous” to “everyone can use the model online but you can’t have the model because we’re selling it to Microsoft for billions of dollars.”

What is their sincere interpretation of "Open" in "OpenAI"? Their models are not distributed publicly, correct? Do they describe the network characteristics and training data openly? Where's the "open" part? EDIT: I just read their charter and it describes "benefit of humanity" (laudable if feasible for them to deliver on it) but nothing about openness.

> Where's the "open" part?

HuggingFace

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by SoftTalker »

I can't imagine using ChatGPT for anything, personally. As a society we have grown physically obese on high calorie, sugar-packed foods combined with a sedentary lifestyle. Seems like we're about to become mentally obese when we no longer have to use our minds read or write and can just be spoon-fed AI generated words, music, and video. We will become a society of fat, drooling simpletons sitting in recliners consuming endless entertainment plugged directly into our senses while an IV drips glucose into the nearest vein.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by mtnGoat »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #19
outside1234 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously - it’s the 85% correct solution that gets you killed in the other 15%

On the roughly 100 autopilot trips I’ve taken - you nailed it - I died 15 times.

I think this is called survivor bias?

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

mtnGoat wrote: post #40
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely Bing’s ChatGPT interface will have ads. There’s no money in giving it away for free. And Google can embed a clone of it in their search interface as well. So I don’t see this being a competitive advantage for anyone against Google. If anything, it’s one more moat for new search providers to cross.

Eroding your competitors business model is a business tactic. Many business run as loss leaders.

“Google minus ads” is not a strategy with a great record of success.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by pupppet »

Google and Microsoft want their web properties to be your final destination, not your gateway to everything else. To achieve this they’ll use tools that completely rely on user-generated content to give you exactly what you need so you don’t need to go anywhere else.

Except now where’s the incentive to generate new content nobody will ever see. For all intents and purposes they’re orchestrating the end of the web.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by lossolo »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #33
fintechjock wrote: post #10

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a big bet on a company that just had their lunch eaten on another product by open source, no? Didn’t see much of Dall-E after Stable Diffusion release

There are open source / OS model-based projects competing with OpenAI’s text generation. At least one, NovelAI, also has a Stable Diffusion fork incorporated into their paid product. At least so far none of them are close to what’s been achieved with ChatGPT, and that could in itself be driving some of the hype. ChatGPT was probably more impressive to me on the first impression being familiar with the limitations of…

I think the problem is time. To replicate the OpenAI RLHF architecture, they need their own high-quality dataset, which takes time to create. Without details about the hyperparameters, RL architecture, and omitted steps, they need to test a lot of things, which takes time and money. It requires more resources than it took SD to replicate DALL-E 2, which took months and was an easier task.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by marricks »

wyldfire wrote: post #29
warning26 wrote: post #5

It’s really impressive watching OpenAI go from “no one can use this model because it’s too dangerous” to “everyone can use the model online but you can’t have the model because we’re selling it to Microsoft for billions of dollars.”

What is their sincere interpretation of "Open" in "OpenAI"? Their models are not distributed publicly, correct? Do they describe the network characteristics and training data openly? Where's the "open" part? EDIT: I just read their charter and it describes "benefit of humanity" (laudable if feasible for them to deliver on it) but nothing about openness.

Open to receiving a lot of money.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

lossolo wrote: post #24
fnordpiglet wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the roughly 100 autopilot trips I’ve taken - you nailed it - I died 15 times.

It's not about 100 easy autopilot trips, it's about 1001 trip where you as human can easily see what to do but AI will interpret reality wrong because it was not trained to handle that edge case and you will die.

That's why everything except for TACC is in beta, the driver needs to agree to be ready to take control immediately before their use, and so on.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by karpierz »

I'm seeing a lot of responses that see ChatGPT replacing Google, and it's unclear to me how?

It can replace queries like "what's the tallest mountain in France", but that's not really a profitable query for Google.

Whereas it's unclear to me how it replaces "best vegetarian restaurants in Gastown". It can string together a coherent statement, but then I have to go search to see whether it actually recommended vegetarian restaurants and if they are in fact any good. At which point, I'm back to using a search engine.

And yes, you could wire it to show related articles. At which point you've just recreated a local search index (with GPTChat providing the Google summary card), which you now have to:

1. Figure out how to solve SEO hacking for your model.

2. Update the model regularly with new information.

Putting you in the exact same position as Google, minus twenty years of experience doing it.

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