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England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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How was the 5G hotspot though?

If you are in the right location it's a viable alternative to fibre. Here's mine, elsewhere in the UK (not in Newcastle): https://www.speedtest.net/result/14185051949 Cheaper than fibre and 30-day rolling contract. Unlimited data.

Which provider is that?

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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High density living is even more reason to run wired connections. The more fixed stations you can get off the air, the better everything else runs. Your TV probably stays in one spot, so streaming player(s) should be wired. If you do anything real time, having lower base latency and nearly zero jitter is pretty nice too. If you want to save costs, it's really not too expensive to add one or two runs of twisted pair p…

How does the builder know where I am going to put my one or multiple TVs? Or if I even have a TV - plenty of people went mobile-only for video. Old coax cable came out in the middle of the wall in the room I decided to use for home office, what was I going to do with it there? Finally I just cut it out and drilled a whole through a floor in another room to run Sonic fiber cable and connect a modem and WiFi router ins…

A lot of rooms have an obvious layout... You put the TV in the living room on the wall without windows. Or above the fireplace (ugh, but that's where people put them) If you put a tv in a bedroom, it's opposite the bed, and there's often a clear place for a bed --- if the windows are bed width apart, the bed goes there, if they're closer together, the bed goes on a different wall that probably doesn't have the closet and maybe doesn't have the door.

You can run multiple cables to a room too, of course. Pick two spots and you'll probably get close enough so one is useful. And put a drop in the ceiling too, in case you want to mount an access point there, like at work or in some hotels. If nobody ever uses those cables, and you didn't terminate them, you're only out $100 on materials and an hour or two of someone's time.

Hotel wifi has always been pretty bad for me, not a standard I'd want to aspire to.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

I don’t know why techies move into residences without first checking the communications options.

I bought a house in rural new mexico and forgot entirely to check this until I moved in.

Thankfully, I could get 40Mbps down / 5Mbps up which is enough for me. It is scary to think about what I would have done if the service had been substantially worse (or not available at all).

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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When you set a minimum standard, something that could have been bought for less that didn't meet that standard will no longer be an alternative. So some people will have something better and others will not have an option that they once did.

It can make a maximum difference in cost of about 1% of the final sale price, probably less given the cap and average prices of new build properties. I don't think it'll have a big impact on whether the houses sell, we have a huge undersupply of new housing.

Yes. Now add 1,000 other regulations. Oh my, how the price of housing has gone up!

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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You are mandating infra that will never be used and isn't needed.

Well that might be an assumption that it will never be used. Maybe if people had it they would use it? But also I'm interested in if/whether this builds infrastructure resilience as well. Would be interesting to see a well-thought cost/benefit analysis there. In America at least given that every ISP without exception is a giant piece of crap, mandating them to do things I'm going to generally approve of, especially i…

Maybe if we mandated that everyone buy a hula hoop, people would find creative uses for them. That's not a great way to steer public policy.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

Yes the options in the Bay Area are rough! I just moved to Oakland and I have Sonic with symmetric 1gbps for $40 per month, the first time I’ve ever been able to get fiber after 20 years in the Bay. Anyway seems like there might be more fiber in the East Bay for some reason.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Why is 100mbps tragically low? That would be enough for all but a vanishingly small minority of consumers, surely.

because that's no where near gigabit. and what large majority of users do is that really the metric we're going for here? also, when's the last time you transferred a large amount of data over that slow of a connection? i don't care! I do it every day, and i'm all that matters!!! /s

> because that's no where near gigabit.

This seems like circular reasoning. Why is being nowhere near gigabit tragic?

> and what large majority of users do is that really the metric we're going for here?

Well I don't know what your metric is, which is why I'm asking.

> also, when's the last time you transferred a large amount of data over that slow of a connection? i don't care! I do it every day, and i'm all that matters!!! /s

I'm sure there are people who upload a lot of content and need > 100 I'm not trying to invalidate those. But they're also the people who know what they need and can pay for it.

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oh i don't know. somewhere in the multiple responses in this subject got to talking about fiber, so that's what this is in my head. re-reading, i see the title as they are only requiring gigabit speed, not what medium is sent. fuck'em anyways!!! their all shit companies and deserved to be yelled at for something they're not doing to make up for all of the yelling they are not getting for something else they are doing…

Hey remember when Google delivered kick ass fiber service all over their own back yard in Silicon Valley to show Comcast and Verizon how it should be done?

how many months did it last before they deprecated the service?

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

I know this probably doesn't help you currently, but if you move look for places that have Wave-G (apparently it's now called astound). It's available in SF and Seattle and offers symmetric gig up/down with no cap for $80/mo. I had it in Seattle, and I have a good friend with it in SF and we both had nothing but great experiences with them.

Astound is also what RCN in the North East rebranded to. I’m paying $65 for 900mbps/20ish but with HBO Max included.
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