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England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Instead of what? Everything comes instead of something else. Whatever effort and resources are spent adding gigabit to new homes will mean fewer homes, less food, shoes, medicine, natural gas, cars or whatever. Many people will be celebrating faster internet speeds for those who purchase these new homes, but it's hard to see what goes missing when it's a little here and there from across the economy.

> Everything comes instead of something else. Not everything is zero-sum. Sure, it takes effort to wire up every home for Gigabit, but on the other hand you're employing more telco workers to run the cables, creating more jobs. Gigabit costs more, but economy of scale means that average prices will be lower. Increased bandwidth opens up space for new technology innovation, and letting more people effectively work rem…

"Not everything is zero-sum."

I didn't say it was zero sum - in fact it's definitely NOT zero sum. Adding gigabit to new homes will certainly - almost tautologically - come instead of something else.

The question is whether it's worth what you give up or not. Maybe it is, and maybe it's not. But it's hard to make the correct judgement when you focus only on the gains of the gigabit, but it's very hard to count all the things you DON'T do instead. There's no great solution to this, but we must at the very least be aware that we are giving up other things that we might also want.

As far as "creating jobs" - People are already working hard. "Creating a job" in one area really means (implicitly) re-purposing someone from a different activity of different value. This may or may not be a net win. The person could have been cutting hair, doing accounting, playing football, or simply running a fiber cable in a different area of town - but they aren't, they are running this cable right here where we "created a job."

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article you link: "Comcast told Ars that faster upload speeds will come to customer-owned modems "later next year" but did not provide a more specific timeline." So, no. Do not rent their modem/router crap.

It's still cheaper than owning your own (if you already have the unlimited data add-on).

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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>>I can see a regulation that mandates that you wire any new residences up so they can support gigabit, but how is this going to work if the municipality / ISP does not offer it? If read the article, it says the cap is 2000 pounds, so the developer must do all the make-ready work in the house to support 1G internet, but they only have to actually connect to the fastest option available - and then only if the total co…

What possible steps would a developer take to "make-ready" for 1 gigabit internet? Does the front door need to open and shut faster? Are the toilets going to have 4k flushing? I'm struggling to figure out how a developer could impede internet access if they actually wanted to.

"such as ducts, chambers and termination points"*

This sort of thing is much cheaper to put in when you're building the street/house than after the fact.

* https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-uk-laws-bo...

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #119

Just more admin fees and paperwork to build a building, making them more expensive. Make 30cm insulation a requirement so we don't pay £2000 per year for electric heating. I asked my property management company if they would, eghm, _consider_ improving external insulation, they responded they have no such legal requirements, so they won't. We pay 4x more for heating and warm water than in 2018, and have it colder and…

This isn't really adding much cost. They were always going to run some sort of communications cable to new houses - the government is just making sure it's a future proofed one. Providing gigabit internet when there's a fiber running to the property already is trivial.

It's not adding much actual cost, but you know they will use it to claim that it is so they can pass it on.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Comcast often isn't FTTP, its is usually coax to the home. There are some services they do with FTTP, such as their 2Gbit service, but most installs are coax.

>but most installs are coax. Good gawd! It's like cable is in their DNA and they invested heavily in a cable manufacturing company and are trying to keep it alive /s also, is it pushing the limits of marketing to say you have a fiber connection if the cable coming into your home is actually coax? edit: just to clarify, is it really fiber if the demarc isn't in/on your house? I get running fiber to the home to a devic…

I haven't seen them advertise coax service as fiber? Everything I've seen clearly positions their fiber-only service as being a different thing from their standard cable internet.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #137
post #119

Just more admin fees and paperwork to build a building, making them more expensive. Make 30cm insulation a requirement so we don't pay £2000 per year for electric heating. I asked my property management company if they would, eghm, _consider_ improving external insulation, they responded they have no such legal requirements, so they won't. We pay 4x more for heating and warm water than in 2018, and have it colder and…

Most new builds are a B on the EPC scale [0]. I guess they could require that all new builds meet A? 0 - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/energy-performance-...

In my experience, new builds have very decent insulation, which works well during Winter. But they are an absolute nightmare during Summer.

British Summers are not so cool anymore. New regulations should account for this. My previous neighbor had a heat shock because her bedroom stayed over 33 C for a few nights in a row.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comcast often isn't FTTP, its is usually coax to the home. There are some services they do with FTTP, such as their 2Gbit service, but most installs are coax.

>but most installs are coax. Good gawd! It's like cable is in their DNA and they invested heavily in a cable manufacturing company and are trying to keep it alive /s also, is it pushing the limits of marketing to say you have a fiber connection if the cable coming into your home is actually coax? edit: just to clarify, is it really fiber if the demarc isn't in/on your house? I get running fiber to the home to a devic…

> also, is it pushing the limits of marketing to say you have a fiber connection if the cable coming into your home is actually coax?

This kind of bullshit is standard practice in the UK too. Pretty much every internet connection you can buy here is "fibre", but in reality most of it will end up being DSL.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #90

Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

Comcast now offers vastly higher upload speeds (10mbps -> 100mbps) so long as you rent their modem, which is an additional $25/month, but also comes with unlimited data. Paying for unlimited data separately costs $30/month if you own your own modem, but doesn't yet support higher upload speeds. It's unfortunate that this is the case, but for those who need higher upload speeds, it's at least possible with Comcast now…

> Comcast now offers vastly higher upload speeds (10mbps -> 100mbps) so long as you rent their modem, which is an additional $25/month

$25/month is more than what I pay for 100Mbps up, 1Gbps down with unlimited data and a router included. Man, we Europeans have it good when it comes to internet access.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #90

Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

Bay Area residents should really consider Sonic as their internet provider. I have gigabit speed, fiber direct to my unit, and a bill lower than Comcast's, with no data cap
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