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Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online

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#181

For the heck of it I counted the race column. Take it as you like: 110 ->Hispanic 206 ->Black 259 ->White 3 ->Other

Remember ye olde "statistics does not follow normal intuition"; AKA; you generally need, what, 3+ kinds of numbers to get more than shallow meaning from some stats?

(in this case, those might be: count of population by race; count of crime by race).

Similarly: Once had a job offer include "12,000 shares!", but wouldn't tell me out of how many.

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post #63

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> Think if your daughter/son/mom/dad got slaughtered, do you think the pain would be less acute even two decades later? Yeah it would definitely be less acute, still there every day, but less acute. Like most trauma. Would killing the murderer in 2021 make me feel any better? To that question the answer is without a doubt "no".

> Yeah it would definitely be less acute, still there every day, but less acute. Like most trauma. I hope you realize you are co-opting someone's pain for your own political or ethical brownie points. A lot of people are completely happy watching their child's murderer/rapist be punished via the death penalty. You're just trivializing an incredibly complex moral conundrum.

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#183
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I was amused by the Texan racial categories: White, Black, Hispanic, Other Spot checking a handful of statements, it seems like most people executed found God, peace, and remorse at the end. Though at least one person never stopped proclaiming innocence: > I’m not the one that killed Christina, so whatever makes ya’ll happy. I wonder how many on the list were, in fact, innocent.

Here are two of the "possibly innocent" comments: Carlos DeLuna #744 > I want to say I hold no grudges. I hate no one. I love my family. Tell everyone on death row to keep the faith and don’t give up. David Spence #773 > I do. First of all, I want you to understand I speak the truth when I say I didn’t kill your kids. Honestly I have not killed anyone. I wish you could get the rage from your hearts and you could see…

> The original police homicide investigator, Ramon Salinas, acknowledged in the appeals process that he had serious doubts about Mr. Spence's guilt. In a sworn deposition given to Mr. Spence's lawyers in 1993, Marvin Horton, a former Waco police lieutenant who was involved in the case, said, "I do not think David Spence committed this offense."

> The prosecution built its case against Mr. Spence around bite marks -- a state expert said that bite marks on the body of one of the girls matched Mr. Spence's teeth -- and jailhouse snitches, both of which can be highly unreliable forms of evidence. Mr. Spence was already in prison, serving a 90-year sentence for aggravated sexual abuse of an 18-year-old man, when he was indicted for the Waco killings.

> Two of the six jailhouse witnesses who testified at trial subsequently recanted, saying they had been given cigarettes, television privileges and alcohol, and one of them had been allowed conjugal visits with a girlfriend, in exchange for their accusations against Mr. Spence.

Junk science and bought testimony, that's some sweet sweet justice in yer veins.

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#184
How many in the list you think were innocent?

I feel uneasy about the so-called ‘evidence’ on this one… How can we be sure who’s glasses these were and that the real culprit didn’t use a different name. If this guy had a decent defender (and was maybe white), he wouldn’t have been convicted.

https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_info/hughesprestoni....

Preston Hughes, #939

Yes, Warden. Mom, Celeste: Please know I'm innocent and I love you both. Please continue to fight for my innocence even though I'm gone. John, Cort, Allen, Barbara, Louis, and Anna: Thank you for helping me and trying to save my life. I love you. Give everybody my love. Jason, thank you for your friendship. Thank Laura, too. I love all of you. Bye. Ok, Warden.

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#185

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> However murder is considered a mortal sin that separates one's soul from god and that cannot regularly be forgiven. By Catholics, specifically. Evangelical Christians don't typically share this belief.

Mortal sins can absolutely be forgiven in Catholicism See for example the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1456

> 1456

> Confession to a priest is an essential part of the sacrament of Penance: "All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession, even if they are most secret and have been committed against the last two precepts of the Decalogue; for these sins sometimes wound the soul more grievously and are more dangerous than those which are committed openly.

That seems to say mortal sins must be confessed. But I cannot see where it says they can be forgiven.

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#186
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Assuming every single person executed by the government was innocent, the government executing innocent people is still several orders of magnitude less common than common murder. 18 people were executed by the government in America last year. More than 20 thousand people in America were murdered during the same time period. Assuming the government only executes innocent people, you are 1000x more likely to be murder…

I think you misunderstand my question. I'm not wondering how often innocent people get executed in Texas relative to the number of people murdered. I'm asking about the absolute number.

18 people is the absolute maximum number of innocent people that might have been executed in 2022, for the entirety of America. Texas only executed 5 people in 2022.

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#187
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The crime was when he was deeply addicted and drugged out of his mind 22 years earlier. I don't find it shocking that he's had another life since. Killing him in 2021 just seems so... pointless

From Wikipedia: Jones experienced 'brutal conditions' during his childhood, suffering neglect by his parents, sexual assault by his siblings, and extreme poverty.[7][4][8] His mother threatened him with a gun, and when he was seven years old his older siblings forced him to have sex with his stepsister.[8] He shot himself twice, once in the hand to placate gang members and later in the chest in a suicide attempt. He…

There’s something very odd to me about the modern progressive position that, more or less, if you can explain a crime, then you can in some sense excuse it.

That description of his childhood works for me in sociological terms — let’s avoid stuff that we know to create monsters — but not on individual ones (i.e. the monster, having been created, is indeed a monster).

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#188

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That's my biggest issue with capital punishment. You can't take it back, if you're wrong you just killed someone's child, parent, sibling, or combination thereof. While being sentenced to years of prison for a crime you didn't commit is also horrible, you can at the very least be released if you're found innocent.

You can't take back prison either, so you have reason to reconsider that as well, considering it steals years from someone's life and is torture in many (most?) places.

Absolutely. There are many flaws with the American legal system that need to be dealt with, but it'll likely have to happen one step at a time.

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#189

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The current process is a middle ground. Stay on death row for decades to ultimately be executed (after likelihood of being found innocent is extremely small). I like the idea of capital punishment because I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades. I feel like the bigger issue is, and what pushes me to think twice on the issue, people get found guilty of murder "without a reasonable doubt" on purely circ…

> I like the idea of capital punishment because I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades. Tough shit. They aren't your pets you don't get to do cost/benefit analysis of another human's life . Absolutely sick worldview.

If you read past that you'd have seen why I was actually arguing against it and due to the bigger issue I see in our justice system. But yes, there are people out there like me that do support capital punishment for various reasons/conditions; sorry to upset you about that news.

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#190
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crime was when he was deeply addicted and drugged out of his mind 22 years earlier. I don't find it shocking that he's had another life since. Killing him in 2021 just seems so... pointless

From Wikipedia: Jones experienced 'brutal conditions' during his childhood, suffering neglect by his parents, sexual assault by his siblings, and extreme poverty.[7][4][8] His mother threatened him with a gun, and when he was seven years old his older siblings forced him to have sex with his stepsister.[8] He shot himself twice, once in the hand to placate gang members and later in the chest in a suicide attempt. He…

this is sickening. makes me not want to move to the US. that, and mass killings without gun law changes, & health insurance letting people die or bankrupt, even if I wouldn't have that problem myself
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