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England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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I wish that countries would mandate symmetrical connections as well. This would open up so much more opportunity for self hosting web apps and allow for decentralized sites, such as peertube, to function better.

All ISPs I've had specifically forbid any kind of servers in the TOS, so symmetric speeds aren't the only problem.

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

The underground utility is a big reason why, where I live, an older house from the baby boom period (1950s) might have fiber and gigabit internet but a newer home from the 1980s might not.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This law is about home networking, which has nothing do with with symmetrical/asymmetrical bandwidth allotted by your ISP.

> Additionally, a new law has been introduced that requires new properties in England to be built with gigabit broadband connections, sparing tenants from footing the bill for later upgrades.

Is this a correction to his statement? Symmetry isn't mentioned here, which could mean they're free to throttle it. Hardware capabilities rarely match service limitations, when money is involved.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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In France with a Freebox Delta I have unlimited 10gbps speed down and 700mbps up for less than 50€ a month. Netflix and Amazon prime are included and I live in a 15000 people town. The subscription can be canceled any time. Plus the box has a built in NAS, Wifi 6E, and a 4K HDR player among other things

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

They need to reword the law to keep up with Moore's Law, so that if you built a home in 2023 you'd be required to have 1 gigabit, in 2024 you'd be required to have 1.2 gigabit, in 2025 you'd be required to have 1.44 gigabit, etc. The moment internet connections don't keep up with Moore's Law, the real estate typhoons would then have no choice but to fund bandwidth-related R&D to get internet connections back on track…

But why? How many videos are you going to watch at the same time?

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

For clarity - whilst most connectivity infrastructure in London is underground, it's almost always within a primary duct, so running new infrastructure is usually a case of pulling in a new cable as opposed to "ripping up the street".

In fact, anyone approved can use BTs own ducts and poles via their PIA product[1], which has created a resurgent and incredibly active market of "alternative" network providers ("alt nets"). London for example is now well served for broadband by Community Fibre, g.network, Hyperoptic and others alongside the incumbents.

[1] https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/passive-produc...

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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In France with a Freebox Delta I have unlimited 10gbps speed down and 700mbps up for less than 50€ a month. Netflix and Amazon prime are included and I live in a 15000 people town. The subscription can be canceled any time. Plus the box has a built in NAS, Wifi 6E, and a 4K HDR player among other things

Yes... I have the same just moved here from Australia. Im in an old building but close to Paris. I've been blown away by what I can get with a "bargain provider".

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

Comcast now offers vastly higher upload speeds (10mbps -> 100mbps) so long as you rent their modem, which is an additional $25/month, but also comes with unlimited data. Paying for unlimited data separately costs $30/month if you own your own modem, but doesn't yet support higher upload speeds. It's unfortunate that this is the case, but for those who need higher upload speeds, it's at least possible with Comcast now…

>Comcast now offers vastly higher upload speeds (10mbps -> 100mbps)

I mean, yeah, I guess normally a 10x increase is deemed a good thing and could be considered "vastly higher". Who wouldn't be impressed with a 10x bump in pay?

However, 100mbps is still tragically low. Having anything less than full bandwidth up/down on a fiber line is just cheating the user artificially. Being fiber, I could see offering a cheaper modem because it has a cheaper SFP in it, but even those are dirt cheap now for lowly 1Gbps

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Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

The underground utility is a big reason why, where I live, an older house from the baby boom period (1950s) might have fiber and gigabit internet but a newer home from the 1980s might not.

yet another example of how they just built things better/to last in the 50s! /s

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was the 5G hotspot though?

If you are in the right location it's a viable alternative to fibre. Here's mine, elsewhere in the UK (not in Newcastle): https://www.speedtest.net/result/14185051949 Cheaper than fibre and 30-day rolling contract. Unlimited data.

Thanks for sharing. This seems totally fine, if not more than acceptable? How much does this cost?
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