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Yes, though that's an interesting phrase - how can the company "put in" more police / LE officers? Aren't they assigned patrols or dispatched for specific incidents?
Most municipalities allow companies to hire police for overtime hours in addition to their assigned duties.
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The "amount" of shoplifting you see while stores continue to REDUCE attempts to intervene should show you just how much of a non-issue shoplifting is to most businesses. It's more expensive for a company to pay for insurance that would cover an employee being injured trying to detain a theif or pay for an actual security guard than just to say "fuck it" to a small percentage of goods. Average shrinkage for retail is…
This is actually false. There are security guards in all the non-mom-and-pop pharmacies in Manhattan. Clearly it's worth it to pay for a guy to sit in a chair by the door as a (very loose) disincentive to steal.
This was also in a dirt poor community where small time crime was a regular thing for most people, think "White trash" area.
This anecdote should clearly not be generalized to the entire country, but average retail shrinkage is supposedly around 2% which includes pretty much any reason you can think of, including someone returning a box of bricks instead of the product, a minimum wage employee dropping a bottle of soda, a customer putting the frozen peas on a random shelf instead of back in the freezer, etc. Shoplifting as something that harms a store's income is an extremely local thing IMO.
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Most municipalities allow companies to hire police for overtime hours in addition to their assigned duties.
Which is just crazy to me. You can pay for police! In uniform! I’m in Peru at the moment and for how much more corrupt people in the US act like LATAM is, I’ve never seen a company here pay police to stand somewhere. But every Apple Store in SF I’ve been to has an officer or two in front when they’re open.
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This is actually false. There are security guards in all the non-mom-and-pop pharmacies in Manhattan. Clearly it's worth it to pay for a guy to sit in a chair by the door as a (very loose) disincentive to steal.
I don't know what to tell you then. My father was the assistant manager of our local supermarket for 10 years, after being a sub-department manager for 20. In the many years he has bragged about making that store's shrinkage the smallest in the state, including being befriended by the CEO of the international company that had a partnership with the stores in the state and eventually bought them all, he never once tal…
I have worked with a handful of amazing people like him. Taking pride in such things is great and is what I am mourning in these (risky) posts.
> he never once talked about shoplifting as a driver of that shrinkage. It was ALWAYS waste, or backroom theft, or poor stock handling and planning.
Agreed. Employee theft was always by far the largest form of shrinkage while I was working retail. It likely very much still is or I'd be absolutely surprised.
What is not discussed is the elephant in the room. You start letting retail theft creep up like this - not just in numbers but in blatant in your face crime - you will start seeing backroom theft skyrocket. People eventually become demoralized and while it's complete anecdote I'm personally seeing it now. Eventually theft is going to become normalized if we continue down this path. Why work a $20/hr retail job when someone can walk in, take $1500 worth of product, and walk out with zero consequences. It adds up.
I also cannot agree that shrinkage is not a major problem for most retail stores. A major chain can likely hide it via averaging it out, but for a mom and pop/small chain in a rough area (the type of places I worked for) shrinkage was a major factor of profitability. You have to sell a lot of candy bars to make up for a single one being stolen when you are operating at 10-20% margin.
I also completely understand this is very widely distributed through the country at the moment, and I live in one of the worst off places for this sort of thing. My perception is certainly due to that fact.
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Which is just crazy to me. You can pay for police! In uniform! I’m in Peru at the moment and for how much more corrupt people in the US act like LATAM is, I’ve never seen a company here pay police to stand somewhere. But every Apple Store in SF I’ve been to has an officer or two in front when they’re open.
Consider how opinion might be colored by the LATAM country next door as opposed to one >3000 miles away on a separate continent with a separate culture and society.
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#26Is a spiral of death. Being watched destroys the pleasant experience of browsing things. People buy just what they had in mind and exit, spending much less time in the shop looking for things that they could want to buy. Big red flag. Soon, the big store is half-empty most of the time and being the only customer in a place full of vendors is psychologically disturbing for many people. Less objects are stolen but you sell less, and soon realize that are paying more to security than the loses by shoplifting.
I had seen this before when, lets call it "Computer World", decided to increase their results fighting against shoplifting. Warnings in the walls, everything in plastic cases, cameras and security sucking all the fun. They closed in three months.
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How do you imagine this working? I live a few blocks away from a Walgreens that is now closing at the end of the month. I've personally witnessed a shoplifter actively shoplifting nearly every time I was in the store over the past year to year and a half. This was a half dozen encounters at least, of varying degrees of audacity from teenagers stealing some makeup to outright crews doing a mini flash mob style raid. I…
> Society starts failing when the answer to every problem is call mommy and daddy (the police) and stops enforcing basic societal norms by Complex societies seem to have a few basic options: 1 - Enforce social laws 'locally' without official government sanction; neighborhood heroes if you're polite, the mob if you're looking at the U.S. big cities in much of the 20th century. Behaviors change through fear. 2 - Enforc…
Shoplifting is a victimless crime? Wtf?
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Consider how opinion might be colored by the LATAM country next door as opposed to one >3000 miles away on a separate continent with a separate culture and society.
I’ve lived in Mexico a few years and have also never seen it. I’m not saying Mexico is less corrupt than the the US. It’s certainly more. But it doesn’t seem to be “strictly” more, like a superset of corruption.
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#29Then the weight scale had to be used.
Then it got more strict, and you had to tell it when using your own bags.
Then they had cameras near the barcode reader so you had to show the "item" when you scan the barcode otherwise it'd be like "I don't think that's a shampoo bottle, lets get a human to check". which was frustrating.
Now it's even worse, they have overhead cameras analyzing you, and if you click "finished" but leave a bag in your trolley(say, just a crazy thought, from one of the 200 other shops in the shopping centre), then they say "maybe you forgot something" and a human has to come check up on you. Also if you have bags in your hands, or on the floor.
I feel like they've been slowly training people... but also, it's now too cumbersome to use so I go to a person(and then complain when there's not enough people sitting at registers).
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Even though Walgreens is a national retailer, non-thieving locations should not be made to subsidize the thieving locations. A Walgreens in small town Illinois with extremely low shrinkage ought not see any negative effects such as price increases because other, more lax on crime cities, perpetuate an atmosphere of lawlessness and tolerance of same.
> Even though Walgreens is a national retailer, non-thieving locations should not be made to subsidize the thieving locations. This is all part and parcel of society, of corporations, of any multi-site organisation. Each node has its own advantages and disadvantages. High "shrinkage" sites often have high sales and a corporation that sticks to "small town Illinois" is never going to be able to offer the economies of…
I can get better loan rates due to my great credit, while others who have squandered their credit do not.
Similarly, criminal-coddling cities should be burdened with the higher prices that the outcomes of their voting and governance are known to deliver to them.
Not unlike how SF voters continually elect politicians who tolerate human feces and needles in their streets and get just that. It would not be fair for healthy communities to have human feces and needles spread on their cities out of some misguided sense of fairness or social justice.