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‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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I don't understand why McCandless was idolized (I do know there was backlash from actual knowledgeable people, like park rangers). He purposefully put himself in harm's way and didn't have any relevant skills that would have helped him survive. So what's admirable or romantic about the way he died?

Well he most likely died due to poisoning himself with a misidentified plant that was only ever documented as dangerous in an ancient encyclopedia over 100 years old. Nothing romantic about it, but nothing screaming "no relevant skills", either. Don't think this is the part people romanticize, I think it's the whole "I think careers are a 20th century invention and I don't think I want one" and the "Instead, I will w…

I think the plant itself was a detail. He was likely to hurt himself one way or the other. He was cut off from civilization or help, he didn't know about relatively nearby crossings (having "ditched the map" on purpose) and he had no survival skills.

He could have poisoned himself with something else, or been attacked by a wild animal, or treaded on some treacherous ground and broken a leg, all of this outside the reach of human help, and he did this on purpose.

> "Instead, I will walk into the wild"

But this is what I don't get. "I will commit suicide by walking into the wild without resources or knowledge", what's admirable about that? He was basically playing Russian Roulette! I mean, I get that suicide itself is the stuff of romantic ideation, maybe that's the thing?

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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It's impressive how quickly things can go south. Camping in Gunnison National Park a year or two ago when a severe snowstorm blew in that we had zero warning of. Went from sunny and fairly warm to a foot of snow and 10 degree weather over night. We did not have the equipment nor the experience for that kind of cold, and while the first night was ok, it was the next night when the ground froze beneath us that we realized how dangerous this really was. I woke up that night with only what I can assume was mild hypothermia. Couldn't get warm, heart beating like crazy and I kept throwing up.

Ended up having to sleep in the car, and even that really wasn't enough to stay warm without having to turn the car on every few hours. Roads were frozen and impassable so if anything had really gone south, we'd have been screwed.

Since then we obviously educated ourselves a lot and improved our winter camping gear and now we actively seek out cold weather camping.

You can see some photos here: https://roambyland.com/colorado-winters-sawpit-telluride-gun...

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Are those warning labels there because they've been proven to be effective, or because someone sued and that's their way to mitigate that? I have a problem visualizing the venn diagram of people who are so stupid they'll put the bag in their mouth but also people who will listen to the words written on said bag.

A mix of both I think. The plastic bag warning is aimed at parents of children mostly. Babies, love crinkly things. I know that my son when he started crawling would seek out the on floor garbage cans to play with the bags we used as a liner. If you have someone who is not thinking about the ramifications, they would let the kid play with the bag, kid would end up putting it over their head(yay, surround sound) and s…

In theory, children that young shouldn't be unattended anyways. The onus shouldn't be on the company for not printing a warning, but on the parent for a lack of supervision (aka negligence).

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

Last Saturday afternoon I was driving home in heavy fog. Suddenly coming towards me was a BMW SUV at least 75% in my lane. I managed to brake heavily and drift towards the outside verge. We didn’t hit. It’s about the closest I’ve come to a head on collision. With my whole family in the car, there was utter silence for the next several minutes. Pretty sure I nearly died three days ago.

From one survivor of a near-certain-death scenario to another: glad that you’re still here with us to tell your story. No two experiences are alike, but don’t be surprised if it takes you a long while to process what happened. Good that you’re able to talk about it here; if you can, I encourage you to talk to your family about it, even if only to let them know you acknowledge it happened.

(Then again, feel free to ignore the unsolicited advice of an internet stranger, but if you say you nearly died, then you’re likely in shock to a degree. Maybe this sounds excessive, but consider professional support.)

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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It only takes 80ma across your heart to stop it. Mains voltage, in both the US and the rest of the world, can easily develop that kind of current, especially if there is moisture involved. And yet plenty of folks have accidental contact without lasting effects. Electricity is fickle that way. The difference between, no problem and totally dead can be subtle, random and not obvious. It all depends on the path the curr…

>It only takes 80ma across your heart to stop it In a lab, sure. In reality you need a lot of amps going into the body to get enough amps across the heart to screw with it. Defibrillators wouldn't be chock full of capacitors if that wasn't the case. Constantly repeating these sorts of misleading DARE-esque talking points is why nobody takes what the safety preachers have to say seriously. People find out through life…

Wait, what? This is like advocating for playing Russian roulette because it's not guaranteed to kill you.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

Most of the current is going across your skin, not through it, and stone isn't necessarily a good ground.

A light fixture generally won't create enough current to kill you. Usually. Probably not worth testing excessively though.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

Typically when a fixture like that is connected to a live line it is pretty well grounded. In this case it sounds like the grounding wasn't perfect and pretty much turned you and the mirror into a voltage divider. Your saving grace was the fact that you were the bigger resistor. If the mirror wasn't mostly grounding out the circuit, the wet skin would have provided nil resistance and you would have probably at least…

Pro tip: Always touch electrical-y things with the back of your hands first; like with a strange animal. Any spasms will cause you to contact away from the thingy.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

I've accidentally touched live electricity (230V) several times, and from speaking to other people it's not a rare occurrence. I think you actually need to be pretty unlucky to die from an electric shock at home.

I can confirm that 230V is plenty to give you a serious jolt -- like, throw you a couple feet backwards from the thing you shouldn't have touched. I imagine it could've killed me if the connection hadn't been so rapidly broken.

And that came from the "ground" pin of an outlet! Except that the building (in a third-world country that I'll leave unnamed here) hadn't been wired correctly, as I learned the hard way.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only takes 80ma across your heart to stop it. Mains voltage, in both the US and the rest of the world, can easily develop that kind of current, especially if there is moisture involved. And yet plenty of folks have accidental contact without lasting effects. Electricity is fickle that way. The difference between, no problem and totally dead can be subtle, random and not obvious. It all depends on the path the curr…

>It only takes 80ma across your heart to stop it In a lab, sure. In reality you need a lot of amps going into the body to get enough amps across the heart to screw with it. Defibrillators wouldn't be chock full of capacitors if that wasn't the case. Constantly repeating these sorts of misleading DARE-esque talking points is why nobody takes what the safety preachers have to say seriously. People find out through life…

Exactly why I believe telling the public anything but the whole truth in a pandemic is a terrible idea (not that I really wish to open that can of worms).
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