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Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#152Why is it illegal infringement if one modifies embedded software locally (as opposed to selling it). Is that not the equivalent of writing a note within a book? “assure that the intellectual property of Manufacturer, including copyrighted software, is fully protected from illegal infringement through the modification of Embedded Software; …”
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
But who would replace them?
Possibly Fendt. Fendt and John Deere have about the same reputation for mechanical durability and technology leadership (in Germany, my dad is a retired farmer). Fendt is owned by Agco, also American, so they might get the MBA disease at some point as well... but so far, the main thing Agco has done with Fendt is investment to improve and expand. https://www.farm-equipment.com/blogs/6-opinions-columns/post...
Fendt is considered the cream of the crop around here, at least as far as tractors go, but the dealer network is sparse. I'd run into several Deere dealerships before finally getting to the Fendt dealer.
All brands break. If you don't have easy access to parts, it's harder sell. Farmers don't want machines they can't easily fix and so Deere wins on that front. The CaseIH dealer network is just as strong, so that's the actual competition for Deere in these parts.
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#154Too little too late. They have burned good faith, and this move stinks of more manipulation. As others suggested, this probably aims to thwart legislative action, and they will make everything available at an inaccessibly exorbitant price point and inexcusable lead times. Seriously, Deere has been a market leader in alienating customers for years. There is no possibility that this is being done for the benefit of the…
There's a knock-on effect too. I work for a technology-adjacent company, and the biggest push the company has been making for the past 10 years -- right after being woke and going green, of course -- is implementing a whole bunch of "cybersecurity" measures into our product that feels an awful lot like they're cribbing their answers from Deere, to prevent a handful of people from reprogramming the device. The whole t…
> pass a law that says if you "tamper" with the device, all warranties expressed or implied are null and void
This is a terrible idea. There is a very good reason "warranty void if removed" stickers are unenforceable in the US due to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#155Why is it illegal infringement if one modifies embedded software locally (as opposed to selling it). Is that not the equivalent of writing a note within a book? “assure that the intellectual property of Manufacturer, including copyrighted software, is fully protected from illegal infringement through the modification of Embedded Software; …”
You can have right of repair in 1 day the free market way - no copyright protection, patents or damages awarded for chip firmware or repair manuals.
This is the great fraud of our time - Right to Repair is portrayed as government intervention in the free market and excersise in socialism
When actually it is the Government that grants John Deer artifical monopoly on bits and bites and doesn't just fine, but imprisons anyone who doesnt agree.
Copyright, itself a fraudulent name, is a privilidge, awarded to advance sciences and arts. Where it does not advance anything, it should not apply.
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#156"Allow"
It's not theirs to allow or disallow. The farmers own their equipment.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno I'm currently trying to boycott Chinese made goods, regardless the cost. I'm in the position to be able to do that but so are many others. It's like they're targeting the lowest common denominator. It's a self fulfilling prophecy right? If the manufacturing was internal to the US say, theres more jobs hence better economy hence people are able too afford those locally prepared goods. That probably requires a…
> trying to boycott Chinese made goods, regardless the cost. I'm in the position to be able to do that Really? Did you post your comment by carrier pigeon?
I think the "wherever possible" is implied. Where does this kind of cheap-shot snark end? Shall we next post the We Should Improve Society Somewhat comic?
...besides, maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK.
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#158Actual MOU from BBC's coverage[1]: https://www.fb.org/files/AFBF_John_Deere_MOU.pdf What's interesting is this appears to be driven by Right to Repair legislation that's been making it's way through various states. There's an explicit ask that AFBF not support any Right to Repair legislation: "AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from intro…
> that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU
That seems like a bit of a loophole for FB organizations - namely, they can support legislation that imposes obligations that are in the MOU, but must not support legislation the reaches beyond that.
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#159" allow farmers to repair their own equipment" - What a terrible state of affairs if this is an exception rather than the norm. :(
> "allow farmers to repair their own equipment" - What a terrible state of affairs if this is an exception rather than the norm. :( Blame your fellow 'I'm just making money' loose ethics type programmer, they could just as easily be making drones used to destroy entire apartment buildings or the privacy-intruding facial recognition with that type reasoning, but instead they choose to deny farmers from making the food…
When I was in my last round of job hunting as a data scientist, a recruiter approached me with an offer to interview for a job in "kill chain analytics" for a defense contractor's drones.
I noped the hell out of that asap.
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#160Imagine its 1880 and the news of the day is that farmers are allowed to shoe their horses on their own, with horseshoes that they can procure themselves.
Imagine it is 2080 and the news of the day is that farmers will be allowed to buy "BioSerum" that extends the expiration date of their genetically engineered HyperHorse by one month.