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Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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I stopped reading non-fiction books. Most of them have about a blog post worth of ideas, but the publisher had the author pad it out to X00 pages because that's what makes their business model make sense. I haven't fully sworn off blogs, but I will skim anything brought to my attention on Medium, a corporate site, or from search results. My default assumption for these is that I'm reading content marketing and not an…

When studying history in university, I reveled in the deep, meaty kind of books I had to pore through, loaded with facts and arguments on every page, thick with footnotes and tempting bibliographic references to follow.

I had to take copious notes to make sense of the mass of information, to organize it in a way that my brain could take in, and to glean the facts needed for my research papers.

In some cases, I had to dispute the historian's arguments, which required even more concentration to get inside the head of a scholar who was backing up their statements with 20-30 years or more of research and learning.

That's what I think of as real writing! Then we have fiction (fantasy and science fiction have always been my preferences) that allows us to lose ourselves in a brilliantly described world created by an incredible imagination and lovingly crafted.

Modern writing... yeah, not quite as seductive, though once in a while one can find some very interesting stuff on substack or medium (or here on HN for that matter). There's always more to learn.

Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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Depends how you define "Blog Post". There are web pages / articles I still read - I'll check out things by Derek Sivers, Patrick McKenzie/Bits About Money, Money Stuff by Matt Levine, all by local HN recommendations. Similarly, I find a lot of good one-off recommendations on HN; is the hit ratio 100%, or even 50%, goodness no. But signal-to-noise ratio is still worth my time. I will read Thom Hogan on photography mor…

> I actually read a lot LESS books than I used to.

Fewer.

- Stannis Baratheon

(I’m not actually a grammar nazi, I just can’t resist the joke.)

Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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Didn't this sentiment come with hypertext? If books had clickable links we'd have a difficult time finishing them.

It's just a different way to read. Both have very obvious, very ancient, strengths and weaknesses.

When you get sick of take out, you can go garden. When you get sick of gardening, get take out.

Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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post #49

> Are we slowly losing a joy of reading blog post because there are so many? There are a lot of books, too. More than one could read in a lifetime, even if new ones stopped being released. Thus it doesn’t follow that quantity is the problem, or that if it is you’ll eventually be bored by books too. Years ago I started consuming dozens of books a year. I eventually realised most non-fiction are stretched-out pamphlets…

I've started reading a lot more, again. I just read 10-15 years "in arrears". There's so much highly-produced crap, out there, it boggles the mind. The immediate last two books I read that violated this rule (both fantasy; both "top shelf") should've been novellas, but were made novel-length. The authors' writing skills were insufficient to carry the length; as a result I just gave up on what were, otherwise, good stories (and good authors). Personally, I think this is an editor/publisher thing.

(The books were: "The House in the Cerulean Sea" and "The Bear and the Nightingale".)

Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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post #26

As others have said, books and articles have a different purpose and audience. I enjoy reading books. But there are many, many good blogs and online periodicals that offer quality that you would not want to find in a book. For instance... What I don't enjoy - and have quickly learned to avoid - is this certain type of non-fiction book that ought to be an article or blog post. They're easy to find now, they're usually…

There's a strong element of "now" vs. "then" both being expressed in this thread and in my own experience of various media, where contemporary media seems ... low in reward:effort ratio, which can be said of both online and dead-tree published media.

Which raises two caveats:

1. This isn't uniformly the case, and there is in fact excellent writing in all formats, though I would suggest it's getting harder to find especially by way of keyword / content-based Web search (as opposed to searching by specific title, author, or organisation).

2. There's a heck of a lot of nostalgia, survivorship, and other bias at play here. There are a great many badly-written old books and articles as well. We tend to remember the ones that are in fact good, and those also tend to be the ones most recommended. I'm struck by how old the works on curated lists of best books (fiction or nonfiction) are, especially in light of how vastly more works have been published in the 20th and 21st centuries relative to all prior time.

So, yes, there are a lot of overly-padded books which are really pretentious magazine articles, and much poorly-written copy in news and magazine stories as well. I definitely notice this and try to turn away from the form when I realise I'm reading it.

(The assessment cost of determining whether or not a text is worth reading is among the nonrecoverable costs of an overactive reading habit.) I read enough older news and magazine copy to feel reasonably confident that the problem isn't entirely in my head: writing, even within the same publications or classes of works, seems to be getting worse, with efforts to precisely attribute every last statement or source being one notable part of that within news pieces.)

That said, I too have been tending strongly toward books and more-traditional print sources (journals, magazines) than online media. The problem with the latter is that the early promise of removed editorial gatekeepers has evolved toward its rather predictable end-state: the slush pile has migrated from the editor's desk to our browser and smartphone, and we're left with the challenge of wading through dreck in search of rare gems.

It's also hard to avoid the allure of novelty and mystery. I keep having to remind myself that the odds of the best or most relevant works of all time having been written within the past 24 hours are low at best. And without unnecessarily reifying the past, there's a lot of wisdom in old works, as well as the benefit that any pressing alternate incentives for publication are now largely stripped of their manipulative capabilities. Even reading old magazines and newspapers, the advertising tends to feel quaint or charming rather than urgent. This holds even when reading works I had read at the time a decade or four ago, suggesting it's less the advertising itself than the liveness of the attempted ad-verting of my attention that's salient.

I also am finding myself relying far more on bibliographic rather than Web search to turn up materials. Not exclusively, and HN itself plays a large role. But when I find a work referenced elsewhere --- whether in an HN comment, as a podcast comment or show note, or as a mention, citation, or note in a book or paper --- those referenced works tend to have far more salience than what Google or DDG-fronted Bing suggest to me.

(I've serious regrets that Worldcat, the only global Union Catalogue I'm aware of, seems to have, seems to have gone Full Spyware: https://twitter.com/libraryprivacy/status/157018300668967322...>. Library catalogues are otherwise generally excellent guides. I may simply have to start using university or large-public-library search tools directly.)

Re: I don't read web articles anymore, but I read books

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post #46

Love fiction, love a good blog post, can't for the life of me abide self-help nonsense, especially when it's dressed up as "management strategy".

Self help are wrong terminology imo. I'm just listening (I order a physical book), a Dale Carnegie's 'How to win friends and influence people', and I think it's one of the best book I have read. It's full of examples and published in 1936! Still relevant today, lot's of a good advices and things we knew but forgot. Nothing pushy, just logical.
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