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The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by jsrcout »

weaksauce wrote: post #6
mc32 wrote: post #2

Food with placenames often are misleading and not from the placename that makes up the dish: french fries, hamburger, german chocolate cake, danish, wiener, etc. add california roll to that list. [and how could I forget Hawaiian pizza? as noted in sibling comment] Also, the headline is wrong, it was not a Canadian chef but rather a Japanese chef living in Canada.

> german chocolate cake it's german's chocolate cake... the guy's last name was literally german

TIL. In my defense, the first one I remember having (on my birthday at age 4 or so) was made by a nice German lady who lived up the street from us, so I guess it was a natural assumption.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by vintermann »

rob74 wrote: post #95
fanatic2pope wrote: post #13

As was Hawaiian pizza. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_pizza

Interesting... until now I thought it was invented in Germany - because of its popularity there and because of being closely related to Hawaiian Toast ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_Hawaii ), which was invented there.

All the references to that Canadian guy being the inventor are to Anglosphere newspaper articles. Given that the German TV chef introduced Toast Hawaii considerably earlier (and TV cooks are a lot more verifiable than single restaurants) I still bet on that origin.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by Melting_Harps »

astrange wrote: post #61

Also, modern teriyaki was invented by a Japanese restaurant owner in Seattle, and isn't as popular in Japan.

> Also, modern teriyaki was invented by a Japanese restaurant owner in Seattle, and isn't as popular in Japan.

What are you talking about?

Kabayaki [0] has been around for centuries in Japan, and the only thing modern about 'teriyaki' made in Seattle was a likely mispronunciation of the phrases tori and yaki as grilled chicken and is the wide use of a cheap imitation of a tare (with a loose watery sauce) to use over animal/plant protein.

The use of Shoyu, Mirin, Sake as the trifecta of Japanese gastronomy is likely centuries older than that and likely pre-dates the inception of the US by several centuries.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabayaki

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by smcl »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #42
bluedino wrote: post #39

Dutch Apple pies are made in a Dutch oven, not the Netherlands

There was a post on HN a couple years ago I think that was about "things you think are named after places but are not" that was really interesting. My favorite was German Chocolate Cake, which is not from Germany but was invented by Samuel German.

There are a whole bunch of these in Czech:

"španělský ptáček" (spanish little bird) is egg, gherkin and spicy sausage wrapped in ground meat and baked.

"srbské risotto" (serbian risotto) not quite a risotto, just a rice, meat and vegetables dish

"anglická slanina" (english ham) just normal back bacon

"turecký med" (turkish honey) a sweet nougat and nut thing

"holandský řízek" (dutch schnitzel) breaded pork or chicken schnitzel but filled with cheese

"americké brambory" (american potatoes) potato wedges!

"pařížská pomazánka" (parisian spread) a mayo and vegetable sandwich spread

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by smcl »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #94
bluedino wrote: post #39

Dutch Apple pies are made in a Dutch oven, not the Netherlands

And the Dutch Oven was invented in Bristol by an Englishman and a Welshman.

There's an alternative, funny meaning to "dutch oven" so when I read this I wondered who out of the Englishman and the Welshman was the perpetrator and who was the victim :)

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by smcl »

s_dev wrote: post #75
fanatic2pope wrote: post #13

As was Hawaiian pizza. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_pizza

And Irish Coffee. In fact to 'Irish' any food in the US generally means add whiskey or potatoes.

And Baileys Irish Cream was invented by an Englishman, it's an interesting story: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/in-1973-i-invented-...

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by namdnay »

vintermann wrote: post #97
aidenn0 wrote: post #5

"California" as a modifier to food generally means "with avocado" If you get a "California burger" it will have avocado on it

And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple, appropriate or not. Though, that makes me wonder what ingredient the other 48 states would add. Suggestions welcome.

A texas roll would incorporate smoked beef in some way

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40

I ate at Tojo's years ago, 2 points: 1. It was the best sushi I've ever eaten. I love sushi but I'm not really a "sushi snob" - I'm more than happy getting some premade sushi at the grocery store (usually). But the quality at Tojo's was like nothing I'd ever experienced. 2. After I ate there, I wanted to research the "California roll inventor" story, and I remember finding a whole bunch of chefs that had claimed to i…

On 2, here is that info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_roll

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #99
tamade wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They serve Taiwanese beef noodle soup. Obvious reasons why they opted for California branding instead.

> They serve Taiwanese beef noodle soup. Obvious reasons why they opted for California branding instead. How depressingly very China of them, what are Hong Kong noodles called: 1 country 1 system illegally annexed under extreme violence and duress noodles?

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