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California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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I think the whole CONCEPT of a "textbook" needs to change: 1. It should be open-source or available on your nearest "App Store" for a REASONABLE price 2. It should be interactive. If I have a history textbook describing a battle, I want to be able to watch the battle unfold (even if it's just a diagram). If I am reading a chemistry textbook, let me play with the molecule. When I need to learn about the D3 group in Ab…

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

My kids are in California. I assure you, the textbooks are reference standard awful. People magazine is more compelling.

I am entirely certain the average parent of a kid in our school would be able to turn out better material, to say nothing of all the professors and leading experts in California who would love to contribute directly to their kids' education.

The question in my mind is how to construct this. The law seems like a last resort. Maybe some YCers can work on this cracking this nut.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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post #26

I think the whole CONCEPT of a "textbook" needs to change: 1. It should be open-source or available on your nearest "App Store" for a REASONABLE price 2. It should be interactive. If I have a history textbook describing a battle, I want to be able to watch the battle unfold (even if it's just a diagram). If I am reading a chemistry textbook, let me play with the molecule. When I need to learn about the D3 group in Ab…

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

High school textbooks are written by editors, dozens of content writers, and some "name" author who puts their name on it. University level textbooks are much better, of course.

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I started working on a Computer Science textbook about a year ago.

I found out that people were not interested in using it.

This is what I had made so far:

http://opentextbook.info/

Interestingly enough, I posted this info on Slashdot and it was removed almost right away.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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I started working on a Computer Science textbook about a year ago. I found out that people were not interested in using it. This is what I had made so far: http://opentextbook.info/ Interestingly enough, I posted this info on Slashdot and it was removed almost right away.

The domain is non-descriptive, and .info is typically associated with spam. It also looks like you're in a flux state of completion, with not a lot of detail. I'd suggest limited your scope and making a smaller, but more polished product, before trying to attract more contributors.

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Israeli universities don't usually use textbooks, partly because Israelis go to university after their mandatory army service. Some students are already married with kids and can't afford to buy textbooks. Every course has an official textbook, which the school has copies of.

The system works because (at least at my university) all lectures and recitations videos are available online. Good luck doing that in K-12.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

My kids are in California. I assure you, the textbooks are reference standard awful. People magazine is more compelling. I am entirely certain the average parent of a kid in our school would be able to turn out better material, to say nothing of all the professors and leading experts in California who would love to contribute directly to their kids' education. The question in my mind is how to construct this. The law…

WikiTextbook. Adopt the Scholarpedia model where there is curation of particular topics. Put it under a Creative Commons license and make it easy to download.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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I think the whole CONCEPT of a "textbook" needs to change: 1. It should be open-source or available on your nearest "App Store" for a REASONABLE price 2. It should be interactive. If I have a history textbook describing a battle, I want to be able to watch the battle unfold (even if it's just a diagram). If I am reading a chemistry textbook, let me play with the molecule. When I need to learn about the D3 group in Ab…

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

>A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and after holding an auction to determine the fair price.

Yep, subsidies never go wrong.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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I started working on a Computer Science textbook about a year ago. I found out that people were not interested in using it. This is what I had made so far: http://opentextbook.info/ Interestingly enough, I posted this info on Slashdot and it was removed almost right away.

The domain is non-descriptive, and .info is typically associated with spam. It also looks like you're in a flux state of completion, with not a lot of detail. I'd suggest limited your scope and making a smaller, but more polished product, before trying to attract more contributors.

I picked this domain because I had hoped that when this book was complete, we could work on another. At the time I thought that it would be better if it was generic.

I started working on it but realized that I might put in hundreds of hours of work only to have nobody use it at all.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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post #26

I think the whole CONCEPT of a "textbook" needs to change: 1. It should be open-source or available on your nearest "App Store" for a REASONABLE price 2. It should be interactive. If I have a history textbook describing a battle, I want to be able to watch the battle unfold (even if it's just a diagram). If I am reading a chemistry textbook, let me play with the molecule. When I need to learn about the D3 group in Ab…

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

That's a good article, thank you for the link. Is there any precedent for a law that involves coin flips (randomness)? My hunch is that while they sound great in an economy paper, they're too easy to shoot down politically.

Re: California State Senator Proposes Funding Open-Source Textbooks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the fact that textbooks are written by people. They don't magically appear. Writing a good textbook requires the passion of a single expert author, who must dedicate years of his or her life to write it. There are very few shortcuts. And crowd-sourcing is definitely not one of them. A more innovative approach, I think, would be for the government to buy out leading textbooks at a premium and af…

High school textbooks are written by editors, dozens of content writers, and some "name" author who puts their name on it. University level textbooks are much better, of course.

Got a citation? If that's the case then it isn't the case world wide. My mother is the author of two reasonably successful high school textbooks and did all the writing, image selection, etc long before an editor gets their hands on it to polish.
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