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Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.

"right to root" does not translate very well here in (nominally-English-speaking) Australia!

What's Australian for the most privileged account on a computer? Is there a verb for when you get access to it?

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Short term profit at the expense of everything else. At some point there will be a reckoning on all the damage this cult has done to society, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

I sometimes wonder if companies should/could be forced to publish a “lifetime cost” of all of their products, much like we do energy ratings for appliances. Something that would show all of the expenses over the lifetime of the products, including estimated maintenance and lifespan before replacement so people have a better idea of the true cost of the purchase. I am confident the reporting would likely be captured b…

Hard to imagine this working, even in a perfect world. Set aside regulatory capture and corruption and politicking and pretend that everybody does a genuine best-effort attempt to be honest.

It's extremely hard to know ahead of time which products will ultimately be reliable and which will be flaky. Most flaky components weren't designed with that in mind -- there are some exceptions, but maintenance headaches are normally a mistake by the manufacturer. And even setting that aside, a big part of "cheap to maintain" is how many units you ship: part of why it's cheap to maintain a Civic or a Corolla is because they made millions of them, parts are everywhere, and every shop knows how to deal with them. But knowing up front if your product is going to be a hit or a flop is just not generally possible, even though that has a huge impact on maintenance costs.

Even in a world of angels, I don't know that this idea would work in general. Maybe if it was specific to some industries where the costs are easier to estimate?

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Too little too late. They have burned good faith, and this move stinks of more manipulation. As others suggested, this probably aims to thwart legislative action, and they will make everything available at an inaccessibly exorbitant price point and inexcusable lead times. Seriously, Deere has been a market leader in alienating customers for years. There is no possibility that this is being done for the benefit of the…

But who would replace them?

Possibly Fendt. Fendt and John Deere have about the same reputation for mechanical durability and technology leadership (in Germany, my dad is a retired farmer). Fendt is owned by Agco, also American, so they might get the MBA disease at some point as well... but so far, the main thing Agco has done with Fendt is investment to improve and expand.

https://www.farm-equipment.com/blogs/6-opinions-columns/post...

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"right to root" does not translate very well here in (nominally-English-speaking) Australia!

What's Australian for the most privileged account on a computer? Is there a verb for when you get access to it?

It’s the same verb but it raises a smile every single time. Yes I am a child in an adult’s body.

Slightly OT, they pronounce router “rowter” over here, presumably to avoid the same issue.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes wonder if companies should/could be forced to publish a “lifetime cost” of all of their products, much like we do energy ratings for appliances. Something that would show all of the expenses over the lifetime of the products, including estimated maintenance and lifespan before replacement so people have a better idea of the true cost of the purchase. I am confident the reporting would likely be captured b…

Hard to imagine this working, even in a perfect world. Set aside regulatory capture and corruption and politicking and pretend that everybody does a genuine best-effort attempt to be honest. It's extremely hard to know ahead of time which products will ultimately be reliable and which will be flaky. Most flaky components weren't designed with that in mind -- there are some exceptions, but maintenance headaches are no…

It’s already the case that you have to do this for certain groups of products in France under the AGEC laws. Take for example this dishwasher: https://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/p/diskad-lave-vaisselle-encastrab... . It has an “indice de répairabilité” of 7.4, generated from a bunch of different factors such as ease of disassembly, availability of spare parts and documentation, and the ability to factory-reset it. The data sheet listing those factors for this model is here: https://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/files/pdf/4f/fd/4ffd4fd2/indice-d...

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Short term profit at the expense of everything else. At some point there will be a reckoning on all the damage this cult has done to society, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

The damage is already done. MBAs had no long-term vision, so in each company they infested, they made poor strategic decisions such as moving manufacturing overseas, which then forced other companies to move their manufacturing overseas. The countries they chose have zero respect for intellectual property. So now what's left are zombie companies milking their cash cows dry as international competitors arise and take…

Solid argument. No chief executive with an MBA has ever contributed positively to the company they run. ::eyeroll::

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.

You basically already have a Constitution-esque "right to root", as changing the software on hardware you own is not illegal. What we're actually dealing with is technical measures that can effectively prevent us from doing so. There are a few legal hooks that augment the natural landscape (DMCA, contract terms, etc), but remove those and the problem would remain. So unfortunately, what we're really looking for is so…

changing the software on hardware you own is not illegal

Not true. The DMCA makes it illegal to "circumvent" DRM schemes. It's also illegal to carrier-unlock your phone without your carrier's permission.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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post #47
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.

"right to root" does not translate very well here in (nominally-English-speaking) Australia!

Haha! My mind immediately went there as well!

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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The damage is already done. MBAs had no long-term vision, so in each company they infested, they made poor strategic decisions such as moving manufacturing overseas, which then forced other companies to move their manufacturing overseas. The countries they chose have zero respect for intellectual property. So now what's left are zombie companies milking their cash cows dry as international competitors arise and take…

Solid argument. No chief executive with an MBA has ever contributed positively to the company they run. ::eyeroll::

well arguments like these are of course all about the statistical tendency because outliers are, by definition, not that important.

But I notice you didn't actually give an example of an outlier MBA that did not behave this way and contributed positively to the company they ran?

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