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Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
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Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the USA close door button is generally gated behind the firefighter's emergency operation key being activated from what I understand?
I don't think this is the case. Maybe it's a placebo button in some cases? But I've definitely ridden in elevators where the "close door" button has nearly immediate effect (usually older ones). The button never overrides the safety bumpers that reopen the doors, they just bring about the natural closing sooner.
Elevators have a “manual mode”. This is mandatory by law to exist for firefighters/emergency workers, but can be used for other purposes (eg when moving into a high rise apartment, you reserve the elevator for a few hours to move furniture), in commercial buildings sometimes the cleaning staff will use it to hold the elevator and their equipment on their floor as they go floor by floor.
Manual mode does override the sensor that checks if something is in the way, but doesn’t override the pressure sensor that responds if the door hits something when closing. You usually have to hold the close button while it beeps to close the door.
The buttons exist for manual mode. If they work elsewhere, that’s lucky. When I lived in a high rise, it took ~20s for my elevator doors to close. If you were the last one in, you might hit the button and see the doors close immediately, but only because of you timed it right, not because the button did anything during day to day usage. I’ve timed it, and my Otis elevator didn’t close faster due to the button.
The “open door” button obviously works most places.
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
One reason door close buttons don’t work is because many places have a minimum time the doors have to remain open under ADA guidelines. Once that time has passed, the door close. So there is no window in which the button would be useful.
> many places have a minimum time the doors have to remain open under ADA guidelines. What's the logic behind requiring this to happen every time? Why not just have a handicap button like doors do, and letting the elevator stay efficient the rest of the time?
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Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You aren't the customer I guess they are trying hard to keep it that way. I do buy vehicles from time-to-time though, so I think I am a potential customer.
You missed the point. Honda may have some targeting data they send to the ad provider but it’s those ad servicers who come up with this format and their customer is both the site and the company the ad is for. It’s not you as the customer the format is made for, and Honda didn’t make it themselves either.
No, I get it.
I just don’t let a company off the hook because there is an intermediary between them and me.
At some level, Honda pays money to have ads shown and either approve of, or don’t care about, how it is displayed. Either way is bad in my opinion and leaves me with a negative impression of their brand.
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#85Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#86That can be used for good: avoid embarrassment and prevent an unnecessary stop.
But it can also be used for evil: cancel a valid stop that someone commanded and hope they don't notice.
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
One reason door close buttons don’t work is because many places have a minimum time the doors have to remain open under ADA guidelines. Once that time has passed, the door close. So there is no window in which the button would be useful.
> many places have a minimum time the doors have to remain open under ADA guidelines. What's the logic behind requiring this to happen every time? Why not just have a handicap button like doors do, and letting the elevator stay efficient the rest of the time?
How would a handicap person hit that button?
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#88I'm still surprised nobody does the obvious. Have a voice announce each floor. Much better than a stupid chime as each floor is passed, as then blind people have to count. The voice is cheap as dirt, too. As the IBM PC showed, you can get perfectly intelligible voice from connecting a speaker to a 5V IO pin and turning it on and off rapidly, based on a recorded waveform. Wouldn't cost any more than a chime. My furnac…
I’ve been in elevators like that and it’s annoying
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> many places have a minimum time the doors have to remain open under ADA guidelines. What's the logic behind requiring this to happen every time? Why not just have a handicap button like doors do, and letting the elevator stay efficient the rest of the time?
How would a handicap person hit that button?
The same way they do when they hit the handicap buttons that open doors to buildings.
Re: Undo codes for Japanese elevator floor buttons
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not supposedly, for some definition of “better scheduling.”. Elevator scheduling is hard. It isn’t even clear what to optimize for. It certainly isn’t only #persons/hour or #person-floors/hour, as that could leave people stranded forever at some floors (example: why would an elevator ever make the long journey for the 10th floor to pick up passengers if it always has passengers waiting to move between doors 2 and 3?)…
It's probably more important for the elevator to behave predictably. Assuming everyone waiting for the elevator knows where it is at 1. it should always stop if it's going in the direction you want to go. 2. All people inside the elevator must be dropped off before changing direction
Those two combined means people will sometimes have to be dropped off at a floor they don’t want to go to. Are there elevators that do that? I’ve never seen one.
I guess that may be because it would require the elevator to inform the passengers “we’re at floor ten now. Everybody for floors ten and up, get out”, _and_ the passengers would have to hear that _and_ they would have to listen. It also may mean some floors sometimes get too busy with waiting passengers.