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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Isn't it prohibited to depict any of god's creations in some/many/all Islamic sects? Thus all the interesting geometric patterns. Does that mean that virtually all Western art is islamaphobic? At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that being Islamophobic is actually a good thing overall, given the content of Islam as written in the Quran and Hadith, and the actions of Mohammed. If it were to be implemented in full in any of our Western societies today, it would result in a misogynistic, brutal, intolerant regime that infringes severely on what we understand as universal human rights. Just look a…

> If it were to be implemented in full in any of our Western societies today, it would result in a misogynistic, brutal, intolerant regime that infringes severely on what we understand as universal human rights.

Similar to fundamental Christianity then?

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Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here. No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides. Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thef…

It is not similar at all. Kids all over the world draw swastikas on bathroom stalls and such, just to provoke. Rarely do they get beheaded/stabbed as a consequence, though. Swastikas are not acceptable, but very few have any strong personal feelings about it. The prophet of this ideology, however, is like a (glorified) family member to 1/4 of the world's population, and you can very easily get killed for depicting hi…

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Unfortunately, the world is such that losing a job is the least pain and torture.

In India, a Lady, Nupur Sharma merely quote the Hadith about Mohammad's marriage to Aisha and she had to go underground.

Many people lost their lives. The Islamists call for 'San Tan se Juda' - Separation of the Head from the Body.

The Islamic world needs a renaissance.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How sensitive are Muslims to other peoples way of life?

It depends from person to person. Anyone I've met who is Muslim seem incredibly tolerant to me.

Tolerant enough to support an art history professor who showed an image depicting Muhammad?

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In Europe she would be likely be dead or in protective custody. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10655679/Teacher-30... https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211015-the-violence-sho...

"In Europe" often doesn't makes sense as a generalisation. Both the UK and France have a significant Muslim population. That does not extend to Europe in general though. France is ~6% Muslim with large communities. Poland is well <0.1% with anti-islam ideas being common.

> There were increases in the number of people who described themselves as “Muslim” (3.9 million, 6.5% in 2021, up from 2.7 million, 4.9% in 2011) and “Hindu” (1.0 million, 1.7% in 2021, up from 818,000, 1.5% in 2011).

UK Census 2021 (England and Wales): https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/cultural...

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Thus apparently extends to gender or rather sexuality as well recently. I've been banned for asking why my sexuality - heterosexual, is excluded, actually not even asked why but if a flag representing my sexuality existed, since there were a bunch of flags that represented every possible spectrum, even asexuality. I am not at all racist, my best friend has dark skin, but I also can't help but notice that on social ne…

You’ve never had to fight for basic human rights as a white straight person.

That is such a myopic, stupid take. How do you even know? Are you somehow deluded enough to believe that even in western countries nobody has to fight for basic human rights? Fuck, half of Americans’ basic human rights are in flux right now, have you been paying attention?

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Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here. No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides. Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thef…

Let us not forget the difference between the hakenkreuz and the swastika please.

Swastika is welcome, the nazi version of it isn't.

The better and most appropriate term is Hakenkreuz, that the Nazis themselves used.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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To clarify, are you comparing Muslims who see depictions of Muhammad as sacrilegious to rabid dogs?

To clarify, you should hear how they talk about you amongst themselves.
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