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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Re: A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Post by fancybouncy »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #7
benj111 wrote: post #3

Isn't it prohibited to depict any of god's creations in some/many/all Islamic sects? Thus all the interesting geometric patterns. Does that mean that virtually all Western art is islamaphobic? At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic.

> At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic. The standard response is that there can be no such thing as Westernphobia because the West is powerful and Islam is weak, just as there can be no such thing as anti-white racism because whites are powerful and nonwhites are weak.

tell that to white people in Kenya or South Africa... I don't have the link handy right now, but I read they are routinely in danger of rape/murder because of anti-white hate.

Re: A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Post by umarniz »

Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here.

No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides.

Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thefire.org/cases/george-washington-university-j...

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Post by joenot443 »

thuridas wrote: post #10
tyho wrote: post #4

In Europe she would be likely be dead or in protective custody. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10655679/Teacher-30... https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211015-the-violence-sho...

The response from a caricature vs a respectful historical depiction may be very different. Remember that in US this happened not a long time ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie

It's incredibly sad seeing Shia extremism making its way to North America. This was only a few months ago too. What's even scarier about this case was that the Iranian government issued a fatwa on the victim in 1989, and then Iranian state media celebrated the attack 30 years later.

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Post by lakomen »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #7
benj111 wrote: post #3

Isn't it prohibited to depict any of god's creations in some/many/all Islamic sects? Thus all the interesting geometric patterns. Does that mean that virtually all Western art is islamaphobic? At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic.

> At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic. The standard response is that there can be no such thing as Westernphobia because the West is powerful and Islam is weak, just as there can be no such thing as anti-white racism because whites are powerful and nonwhites are weak.

Thus apparently extends to gender or rather sexuality as well recently. I've been banned for asking why my sexuality - heterosexual, is excluded, actually not even asked why but if a flag representing my sexuality existed, since there were a bunch of flags that represented every possible spectrum, even asexuality.

I am not at all racist, my best friend has dark skin, but I also can't help but notice that on social networks there's always that black* group/tag/community never do you see white,red, yellow, only ever black. I do find that quite racist and exclusive. If we're all the same, why does such distinction exist?

Re: A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Post by Y_Y »

umarniz wrote: post #14

Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here. No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides. Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thef…

At least that swastika thing was on a bulletin board in a dorm, I think it would be much harder to object to one being shown in context in a history class, for example.

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Post by benj111 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #7
benj111 wrote: post #3

Isn't it prohibited to depict any of god's creations in some/many/all Islamic sects? Thus all the interesting geometric patterns. Does that mean that virtually all Western art is islamaphobic? At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic.

> At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic. The standard response is that there can be no such thing as Westernphobia because the West is powerful and Islam is weak, just as there can be no such thing as anti-white racism because whites are powerful and nonwhites are weak.

Yes and I take issue with that, $phobia isn't wrong just because of the power imbalance. Further these aren't monolithic entities, the power distributed between people is unequal. I've been denied a job because they were looking for a manageress (by a woman), who has the power in that situation?

If you want me to treat you equally, you need to hold us both as equals, anything less is hypocrisy.

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