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Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by int_19h »

throw0101c wrote: post #19
meltyness wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Afroman has good taste though, those HS-5s sound beautiful, surprised he didn't spring for the 8inch subs though. Guess it's simple if you're not mastering jungle.

>> Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear […] > Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Was the operational target a structure in a wooded area where this individual needed to sneak up on without visual detection? Is that the reason for the foliage-coloured camo? Because it does not look like the operation involved sneaking around a wooded area…

Look up some photos of police during the Ferguson protests. In US, SWAT loves camouflage and, more broadly, anything that makes them look "operator".

It has done a full circle now where companies that design camo patterns make ones specifically for police, such that they don't have any actual camouflaging purposes, but still look like camo (and not just boring plain blue or whatever). The language used by the manufacturers to describe them is very telling, e.g.:

"The MultiCam Black™ pattern was developed to meet the unique requirements of law enforcement officers operating in high-risk environments. It projects a distinctly authoritative presence appropriate for domestic operations. MultiCam Black™ is designed to complement an officer’s existing equipment and present a sharp, professional image for top-tier law enforcement units."

(here's how this "authoritative presence" actually looks: https://i.imgur.com/TqyzNJp.jpg)

Or here's another one:

"Ghost was derived from both A-TACS iX and LE-X. Ghost is designed and a tactical option for Military, Government and Law Enforcement Urban Operations. Ghost combined eleven variable shades of neutral grey that not only gives it and aggressive look, but it is also very effective in urban settings."

(https://i.imgur.com/jteSPvH.jpg)

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by jleahy »

lucb1e wrote: post #84
yakkityyak wrote: post #25

I’m telling you, the only way out of this mess is to eliminate qualified immunity, and becoming a cop should entail forfeiting many civil rights in exchange for insurmountable amount of power a cop has. US police is basically a military, and should be treated as such.

Police forces seem to work just fine without such measures in other countries. I wonder if there are any studies on what the difference is or the differences are that cause the discrepancy in violence.

We absolutely have this in the UK. The IOPC are the body who people can complain to about police conduct and would investigate. I presume most normal countries have such a thing.

I believe any death is automatically referred for review, even if there is no evidence of wrong doing, as it’s so unusual.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by ookdatnog »

perceptronas wrote: post #89
_8j50 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a commenter say he had two rolls of weed or something which is legal in most states now (I don't know where he is). But not just narcotics but even kidnapping or just about any charge really, are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war three or they were hunting for bin laden, stealing his money and disconnecting cameras so their actions won't be rec…

First of all, all information I had was from the video. Author specifically circled "trafficking in drugs", not "possession" in warrant picture as a thing he clearly shows intent of admitting (at least in the song video). I don't know the full story, but its not linked here, so I went with the information I had. >are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war…

> I am not saying anything, just trying to understand people's reaction with the limited information. It seems conflicting to me.

I'm not sure how anyone could explain it to you if you have no automatic reaction to what happens in the video. The amount of force used seems to me to be obviously excessive for the crime Afroman is accused of (that is, selling weed), to the point where I don't see how I could possibly clarify further.

Perhaps one thing may help clarify: whether he's guilty or not is mostly irrelevant to my reaction to this footage. Even if he's guilty, that's excessive force for arresting a weed dealer. The only thing that could change my mind is if the police could produce believable evidence that they had good reason to think he would be violent (such as a record of violent incidents, or membership of a violent gang; the warrant at least does not specify any of this).

The cops refuse to show evidence that they had reason to believe he is a violent criminal (and as the aggressors here, it's on them to provide this), but they barge in as if he's a terrorist with plans to blow up a primary school. If that doesn't provoke any sort of "this is deeply unjust and a massive abuse of power" reaction in you, I don't expect any amount of explaining will result in you understanding people's reaction.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by irl_chad »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #53
abetusk wrote: post #15

Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear and sporting an assault rifle during the raid? Do police departments outsource some of their work to third party contractors for raids like this? Is this person part of some local militia? Shot of the person I'm talking about at 2m11s [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s

I think the correct term for why he's dressed like that is tacticool. Gotta make sure you break up your silhouette using a desert camo pattern in the well-known desert of Adams County, Ohio.

Multi cam works surprisingly well in green forests.

It’s weird that there’s only one LEO in multicam and the rest are in black uniforms.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by perceptronas »

ookdatnog wrote: post #93
perceptronas wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, all information I had was from the video. Author specifically circled "trafficking in drugs", not "possession" in warrant picture as a thing he clearly shows intent of admitting (at least in the song video). I don't know the full story, but its not linked here, so I went with the information I had. >are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war…

> I am not saying anything, just trying to understand people's reaction with the limited information. It seems conflicting to me. I'm not sure how anyone could explain it to you if you have no automatic reaction to what happens in the video. The amount of force used seems to me to be obviously excessive for the crime Afroman is accused of (that is, selling weed), to the point where I don't see how I could possibly cl…

>If that doesn't provoke any sort of "this is deeply unjust and a massive abuse of power" reaction in you, I don't expect any amount of explaining will result in you understanding people's reaction.

In most of the world trafficking drugs is a serious crime with jail. Maybe in USA it is different, I admit I don't know. My original comment was that it is highly irresponsible to be doing that with a family. My first automatic reaction was how can someone with kids do that, not how police responds.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by scotty79 »

sbierwagen wrote: post #70
prescriptivist wrote: post #41

Watching this video is a reminder that if we could just enforce a minimum level of cardiovascular health via something like a three mile run time limitation or something like that the police force would naturally weed out people with poor impulse control and probably be overall a more humane and decent force.

>minimum level Meditating again on the conflicting requirement that: 1) Cops be intelligent, physically fit, free of troublesome political biases, cool under stress, be willing to risk being shot by criminals and, 2) Not be paid $500,000 a year. "Cops are paid too much" is an evergreen topic on sfgate. Here's a recent story: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-overtime-costs-soar-... If you want the best of the b…

> Hmm? You don't want to? That's odd...

Well. Police is a cesspool. Police world is the closest you can get to being a criminal without being a criminal. Very few people want that for themselves.

The fact that being a criminal or being nearly a criminal pays so little is only one of the factors why people want none of that.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by itomato »

prescriptivist wrote: post #41

Watching this video is a reminder that if we could just enforce a minimum level of cardiovascular health via something like a three mile run time limitation or something like that the police force would naturally weed out people with poor impulse control and probably be overall a more humane and decent force.

I’d also accept a shift to Public Counseling over Policing. Nobody in that job needs most of what makes a Cop a Cop; attitude, equipment, expectations, training, reward and belief systems.

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by scotty79 »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #53
abetusk wrote: post #15

Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear and sporting an assault rifle during the raid? Do police departments outsource some of their work to third party contractors for raids like this? Is this person part of some local militia? Shot of the person I'm talking about at 2m11s [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s

I think the correct term for why he's dressed like that is tacticool. Gotta make sure you break up your silhouette using a desert camo pattern in the well-known desert of Adams County, Ohio.

> ... in the well-known desert of Adams County, Ohio.

... interior

Re: Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

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Post by Nextgrid »

sbierwagen wrote: post #70
prescriptivist wrote: post #41

Watching this video is a reminder that if we could just enforce a minimum level of cardiovascular health via something like a three mile run time limitation or something like that the police force would naturally weed out people with poor impulse control and probably be overall a more humane and decent force.

>minimum level Meditating again on the conflicting requirement that: 1) Cops be intelligent, physically fit, free of troublesome political biases, cool under stress, be willing to risk being shot by criminals and, 2) Not be paid $500,000 a year. "Cops are paid too much" is an evergreen topic on sfgate. Here's a recent story: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-overtime-costs-soar-... If you want the best of the b…

> Not be paid $500,000 a year.

How much is this in comparison to the costs of defending or settling lawsuits against the police department as a result of bad cops?

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