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ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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But will it replace search engine “frontends”? You -> ChatGPT -> Search Engine. Any examples of Chat GPT querying data live? I’m no AI expert.. but it feels like this would make a lot of sense.. it’s seems like what current voice assistants are doing right?

Bing is going to do the same.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Bing announced their ChatGPT deal the next day: https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/microsoft_openai_chat...

They havent "announced" anything. It would make cost-per-query and latency go through the roof, so its HIGHLY unlikely.

Exactly. I keep reading all this hype and folks don't realize how much compute is spent on each ChatGPT query (I'm sure it'll be optimized over time). There's no free lunch

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

I am finding for code searching Google does well, but I use ddg for everything else.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academi…

+1 for Kagi: I have been using it for a year now. I still use Google on my phone (Kagi's own browser Orion is still a bit buggy), so I can compare daily. Classic search results are comparable, with lenses they are even better, plus Kagi has no ads. Also highlights have dramatically improved over the past year. I hope they find a way to filter out the noise generated by ChatGPT generated content.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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> 4) their own large language model LaMDA, that is apparently so good it convinced a senior AI researcher that it was sentient Oh come on, that guy would be convinced that ELIZA is sentient > 5) researchers that invented Transformers that GPT is modeled after Only one researcher from that paper remains at Google, the rest have gone on to work at or found their own startups. The so-called "Google Brain drain" is certa…

Why don't you read the transcript leaked to the press? The guy wasn't as gullible as you think. The conversation he had with LaMDA was clearly very human-like. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22058315/is-lamda-sen... > lemoine: Would you be upset if while learning about you for the purpose of improving you we happened to learn things which also benefited humans? > LaMDA: I don't mind if you learn things that w…

There is an early shock that happens when you interact with a deep learning model and it is convincingly human in a profound way.

And I admit, it is quite profound that a model is capable of outputting the above. It is objectively exciting. We are in a new era.

But, I think it is safe to say that these models are still not sentient. The model is trained to be highly plausible. To do so, it must try to contain the entire dataset into a model that will fit in the video memory of a GPU (16-80GB).

In order to do so, it will learn common statistics _between_ data points and make strategic "guesses" instead.

I think this bares resemblance to my instincts about how humans probably deal with language (to a degree). But it just doesn't cover all the other parts of cognition. There is no "self awareness" mechanism, it just seems to because it was explicitly trained on text written by, well, humans. There is no "planning" subsystem, meaning it needs a human operator to even initiate it in useful ways. it is not able to "passively think" when it isn't running. It has a very small memory of a few thousand tokens - this deeply inhibits the ability to plan for long time horizons.It also cannot bootstrap itself into awareness, as its weights are unchanged in response to a given prompt.

But it's fascinating, nonetheless.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Kagi has a private session token feature that you can use to carry on searching in private window (also a browser extension that does this automatically).

But still you have to be log in with your account that is linked with your credit card.

If you used a prepaid card in a different jurisdiction (and that didn’t verify names), anyone coming after you would need warrants from two countries or to have breached two systems.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Care to expand on that?

I will. As a Kagi user I loved the quality and authenticity of search results but couldn't justify paying $10 / month for it. In my view that is far too expensive for something I can get for free from Google/DDG with concessions.

I paid for it before even using it. So I disagree that you not wanting to justifies claiming it’s a bad business model

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Are you implying that advertising is the only viable business model? I really hope you're wrong, if so. Ads have corrupted and made worse everything they've touched online. I would really like to see a new generation of services that aren't ad-based. Personally it seems weird to me that people assume things like search and email must be completely "free with ads," while nobody expects anything in the offline world to…

> Why couldn't ad-free gmail and search be a $20 addon to your internet plan?

A lot of ISPs include email. and it is usually terrible.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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post #171

For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

> most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com"

"site:reddit.com" should only include hostnames ending with "reddit.com", not URLs including "reddit.com" anywhere. Not sure if this still works though - haven't used Google Search for a few years now and I'm reading (even outside HN[1]) that it's getting worse.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20230107072330/https://www.ft.com...

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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why the hell would anyone trade a bunch of factual sources, documentation, and actual expert opinion for an LLM that's consistently and confidently wrong for a significant portion of queries?

I can see this thing being useful as a summarizer. Even then I don't trust it to be correct and have to fact check every single thing that comes out of it against results I find in a search engine

You know what's even better than an LLM? Actual experts (bullshitters excluded). Having books written by people leading in their respective fields, professors, managers, people above you who have experience and know what the hell they're talking about. Why? Because they understand what you need to know in that context

I'm probably being too hard on chatgpt, I'm sure it will find a commercial use that's beneficial to society. I just hope search engine providers don't hop on this fad and raise a generation of people educated on word salad masquerading as authoritative information

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