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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Maybe the first version but I can see several iterations later where this technology makes Siri and Alexa actually Wizard-of-Oz levels of smart where knowledge based tasks that used to require search engines and multiple queries to refine your results will no longer require this level of user input.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academi…

> I suggest giving Kagi a try

Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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"That will NEVER replace search engines!!" -Search engine vendor

"Those things will NEVER replace the horse and buggy!" -Buggy whip vendor

but seriously. Search engines are (1) a virtual monopoly for one company. (2) hopelessly conflicted due to being run ONLY in an ad-supported model, just because that early business model was never revisited. (3) prone to a neverending trench warfare against spam and black hat SEO.

Not that AI based replacements for search might not end up with the same flaws, but for the above reasons, I'm rooting for whatever comes out of OpenAI to completely upend Google's current business model (whether or not GOOG ends up being smart enough to be one of the leaders in that space or not).

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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ChatGPT is already chipping away at my Google searches. I'm more and more just starting there for coding related questions. I've had chatgpt help me with the following just this week among other things. - solved a complex issue with scaling and transformations using pixijs upon providing a code example. The solution was 99% there and saved me hours of debugging. - refactored JavaScript to the async/await pattern - si…

I asked many questions and it usually fail to answer the tougher or very specific situational ones.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academi…

> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Care to expand on that?

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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+1 for Kagi. The lenses and customization are nice, but I switched just for the raw query speed. It’s the snappiest service I use daily.

Really? I'd +1 for kagi too. But I have 2 problems with it. The first is the load speed. Sometimes it just takes so long that I just repeat my search to Google, especially on phones. By long I meant a few second so it's not that bad. Just long enough that I lose patience. I'm not sure if it's issues with my connection since I rarely go to Google nowadays. But I never felt the same problem with Google. In case you're…

Kagi has a private session token feature that you can use to carry on searching in private window (also a browser extension that does this automatically).

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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post #171

For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

What do you mean by "the delta"? I understand what the greek symbol represents in certain contexts but can we just use plain english to explain what we mean?

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Care to expand on that?

I will. As a Kagi user I loved the quality and authenticity of search results but couldn't justify paying $10 / month for it. In my view that is far too expensive for something I can get for free from Google/DDG with concessions.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academi…

> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Are you implying that advertising is the only viable business model? I really hope you're wrong, if so. Ads have corrupted and made worse everything they've touched online. I would really like to see a new generation of services that aren't ad-based.

Personally it seems weird to me that people assume things like search and email must be completely "free with ads," while nobody expects anything in the offline world to be free with ads. Even TV, if we're being honest, since while broadcast technically exists, it seems the vast majority of people who watch it pay for cable. Why couldn't ad-free gmail and search be a $20 addon to your internet plan? Most people couldn't function normally with NO search engine today, so what's wrong with allocating the kind of money to it that would buy 2-3 cups of coffee?

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