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ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academic Research" lens.

> Personally, I wouldn't go long on search engines that don't have a strong ML component to them in the future.

What's kind of ironic about this is I think search engines may have mistakenly moved away from strong ML in the sense that you're thinking of.

Yes, ML is being used for recommendations much more than ever, but in terms of heuristically finding pages with the keywords you entered, mainstream search engines have become significantly worse at it. I remember a time when The Google would find any pages with the keywords you entered. In recent years (before I stopped using it), I noticed an increasing number of times where I knew it had a page indexed but it would refuse to include it in the results for whatever reason. Either its ability to fuzzy search pages seemed diminished or it would just not match something word-for-word. I could sometimes figure this out when the page I was looking for previously accidentally came up in the results for another barely-related search, so I knew it wasn't that the search engine was culling old pages. Though I'm sure they're doing that as well where they think they can get away with it.

Recommendations and curation are largely overrated, and that's where a lot of ML has been mistakenly applied. Well, I say mistakenly in the sense that it benefits the individual and society. Recommendation engines do serve the purpose of the company selling those recommendations.

A true application of machine learning to answer engines is the future and will be a big problem for companies that fought the advertising wars by banking on recommendation engines. That is unless they turn their ship soon enough.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Sometimes I just want to know something, not search for something. Up until now I've used Google for both, but lately I've just asked ChatGPT on things I want to know about, as if it were a conversation partner. It still lacks knowledge and one must distrust the information, but this is the beginning of something very big, like a new age. I enjoy the ability to be able to ask questions without having the other party…

It's doing what the voice assistants were supposed to: solve problems by assisting you with more context in a conversational manner.

Text to speech queries solve the problem of my hands being broken. ChatGPT solves the problem of my brain being contextually broken and I need more context, not higher relevant search results at the bottom of the screen after the ads that I then slog through to wind up changing my query and searching again like some sadistic freemium ad driven Sisyphean task that flies in the face of innovation to help me reach a contextual nugget.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's it's reply to me: Ian Calvert Computer, please find out how GPS works and explain it to me like I'm five years old Sure thing! GPS stands for Global Positioning System. It's a way to find out where you are on Earth. GPS works by using satellites that are way up in space. There are lots of these satellites orbiting around Earth, and they are always sending out signals. Your GPS receiver is a special device that…

Interesting, the one you got id basically correct.

And comparing these two results for the same question serves to illustrate how ChatGPT does not in any meaningful sense _understand_ what it is "talking" about. It basically just strings together relevant-seeming words in a plausible way. The result may be useful, or it may be nonsense.

You'd better know enough (and be alert enough) to tell the difference...

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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ChatGPT isn't search! For gods' sakes! It's not even related to search, ChatGPT threatening search is a meme put around by VC tech bros. Which is ironic - because ChatGPT is a tech bro - it knows about everything, talks authoritatively, and is mostly wrong.

The only thing to worry about in this entire conversation is how search is broken. Search is so broken, that we're willing to just replace it with some tech bro. That's what we have with ChatGPT. Oh don't Google it, just assume some tech bro instead. What's the likelihood the techbro actually knows the answer? Pretty low.... but he'll sound very convincing.

Search is broken, and if ChatGPT is the answer, I dispair.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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One thing the article misses is that users don't just use Search engines/Google/etc to just search. We use it to solve a problem we have. Find the nearest X, Cheapest Y, Answer to Z. A few of these can be done with the localized data that ChatGPT has. Ofcourse, scaling it to search engine levels is an insanely hard challenge. But it doesn't need to go all the way in to do that. Selectively targeting certain portions of what we use Search for can easily get you to a lot of daily queries that you google. Imagine if ChatGPT didn't need to crawl but you as a Service/Business had to integrate with it, that would could evolve into something different from Search engines and yet eat Search engines.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

Same feeling, the other day I spent just too much time trying to find a chart comparing Messi against Ronaldinho. I mean two of the greatest players ever, how is it possible that I couldn’t find a good page, tons of SEO garbage pages.

Is this a good chart? First result for “Messi vs. Ronaldinho stats”

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?show_for...

Searching without stats had a lot of other stuff, but this was near top. And searching without stats shows broader potential interests.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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I give ChatGPT a question on how to do X in some programming environment. So far same as googling. But then ok, for me that solution gives errors, or function doesn't exist, 2nd question to ChatGPT, bam half the time it gives something that puts me on the right track. I can't tell google that my python/postgres problem is special, so please do That example, but with such and such restrictions.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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I'm sure ChatGPT has it's uses for some people, but the few times I've tried to use it for tasks I would have used search for it's been confidently, eloquently wrong. A search engine you can't trust, or at least evaluate it's sources, is completely useless. Recent publicity on LLM has been incredibly successful at over-inflating the hype, largely because the technology fulfills the fantasy of being able to interact with technology in plain language and get plausible, seemingly coherent responses.
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