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Re: Jazz Is Freedom

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Miles did some nice synthesizer stuff as well. And he said he would never go back to be-bob it was all done already.

I remember watching a documentary about Miles right before he released Tutu. The interviewer asked if he ever got nostalgic for the old bebop or cool jazz stuff he used to play. Miles paused for a long time, then he said I love those old tunes but they're in the past and I can't go back there. I got to keep moving. I really respected him for that, but when I got to college the music program was so focused on the past…

Schools must teach the current well-known art. If you want to do something totally new, school is not the place to learn that. It's still good to learn bebop AND funk and after you learned them then perhaps mix them together.

Not saying student's shouldn't experiment but teachers really are there to teach the old stuff, in case anyone's interested. Teachers don't know what the new stuff is, how could they teach it :-)

I took organ lessons from an established jazz-pianist as a teenager. I was an all time beginner but he got his job from a music store where we bought the electric organ, so he couldn't choose his students. :-)

He made me practice old pop tunes like "Moon River" I remember. I told him I'm getting tired of this crap I don't like these oldies but goldies. Why can't you teach me jazz or rock or something cool. He told me listen, maybe you don't like these songs, or maybe you don't like the way you play them. Then he played it and dropped in some cool jazz chords and syncopation. I was amazed and inspired. I realized I couldn't do what he did unless I learned to play the song the old way first.

Re: Jazz Is Freedom

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Please don't do this—it just ends up adding noise to the thread once the original comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34285208 in this case) gets vouched for. Instead, just vouch for it and trust your fellow community members to do the rest of the work; or, if it's particularly good and worth the effort, let us know at hn@ycombinator.com so we can make sure it's unkilled. (In this case the comment was kill…

Sorry, I’ll send an email next time!

Appreciated!

Re: Jazz Is Freedom

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Jazz education is a blessing and a curse. Most high level high school programs are focused on the Essentially Ellington competition, meaning that they learn to swing, to play with humanity and emotion, and to blend together. All good things, and I do believe that Ellington is the greatest American composer period. But it appears learning an 80+ year old style usually is not a gateway to discovering the modern day equ…

Thanks for those recommendations! Yep, I didn't make it past early college music classes, which just weren't doing it for me. I got booed out of the room once for suggesting it'd be cool to mix jazz and hip-hop (in 1989). Probably should have gone some place like Berklee but I didn't see that path at the time. I recently discovered multi-instrumentalist Robert Stillman, who opened for The Smile (Thom Yorke and Jonny…

I did go to Berklee and loved it - the most open minded and forward thinking of the music schools in my opinion.

Also, I'm a huge fan of The Smile, and that was my overall favorite record from last year. I covered one of their tunes a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkYGuqAiveQ

I'm not super familiar with Robert Stillman other than seeing him with The Smile on Tiny Desk last week. I'll have to check out his own stuff.

Re: Jazz Is Freedom

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It's a shame that any time anyone talks about Underground, they only talk about the cover art and not the music. I think it's one of his best albums, the last by his longest-running quartet, and with a few excellent late tunes — Ugly Beauty, Boo Boo's Birthday, and Green Chimneys — that you won't hear anywhere else. The only thing misguided about it is the last track, a version of In Walked Bud with vocals, that if I…

Ha, pretty sure I heard Jon Hendricks sing "In Walked Bud" live, but never had a recording of it. Thanks for the tip on that it was on Underground!

Re: Jazz Is Freedom

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I also recommend "Feeding the machine" by Binker & Moses

I don't know why, but as with so many other things Jazz-y, but the sax feels like "more cowbells" to me. That is, I overall enjoyed the tunes, but I think it would have been a much more interesting had there been greater variation beyond a "simple" sax as the main instrument. However, I fully accept that it's just not for me. I enjoy music from a lot of different genres, from medieval music to goa trance to stoner an…

I also struggle a lot with jazz. It's very rare for me to find a record that I truly enjoy. Lately I tend to listen mostly to "elevator jazz" playlists on Spotify, which is kinda easy to listen to and helps me focus. "actual" jazz requires more concentration and it's just generally not something I'm in the mood for most of the time, that's for sure.
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